Virtual Street Art Tour with Urban Art Porto

Speaker 1 (00:00:11):

Welcome to art in the raw tonight. I’m excited to introduce you to Fernando of urban art. Corto Fernando is a big champion of street art, and he likes to promote and share street art through a means of his Instagram page, urban art quarto. If this is your first time watching, I’m your host and Kelly. Now you might be wondering can who I am in a nutshell, I’m someone who’s been in love with art my entire life. About 20 years ago, I moved to Santa Fe New Mexico to further immerse myself in the Santa Fe art scene and to attend art school. I’ve now been working in the professional gallery world for about 15 years now. And I started art in the raw about halfway through 2020 to keep the inspiration going. If you see value in that, please subscribe to my channel. I have a lot more content coming, and if you’d like to know more about the show, take a look at the description below. There’s more information down there. And if you would like to know more of a me, I was, I was the guest on episode 24. So I’ll include a link to episode 24 at the end of this video at the end, because you should watch this one first because Fernando’s a great guy and I think you’ll enjoy everything he has to say. So thanks for joining us, Fernando. Oh, are you 

Speaker 2 (00:01:46):

Hon? Thanks very much for inviting me. It’s a great pleasure. I already saw your project and I really love 

Speaker 1 (00:01:52):

It. Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate 

Speaker 2 (00:01:55):

That. I’m talking from port. Uh, it is the second 60 from Portugal in Europe, uh, nearby with Spain and 20 ocean. It’s an amazing place that you should come and visit us because as a matter of fact, it’s been considered two years ago as the best spot in Europe for a short break here, there’s a lot of street art around and it’s a very historical city as the country itself F fantastic wine, fantastic food and above all the person’s are great. Everyone speaks English. So you are really welcome here. 

Speaker 1 (00:02:29):

Well, I, I plan to go there as, as soon as I can. And so you, you, you’re involved in promoting street artists. 

Speaker 2 (00:02:38):

Yes. You to much more than an Instagram page, you and the score art and the score portal where I upload a lot of my photos from the places where I visit, but this is only a small part of it. You art portal, um, much more than that. It promotes art and artist. I’m also art creator. Uh, there’s a few walls here in the city that I support. I’m also a person who represents some port based artists. And if the person wants them to do, um, an artwork on, um, a wall or inside a building everywhere, I represent those 

Speaker 1 (00:03:16):

Artists, the Instagram page on its own is pretty amazing. You’ve not only made these beautiful pictures yes. Of the art, but you provide a lot of information as well about the artist and who they are and where you might find them. 

Speaker 2 (00:03:33):

The even airport started to 78 years ago. I was unemployed. No, my, my life, I work in tourism. And by daytime, I was trying to find a new job due to that. I start taking photos all around the city and I start taking photos about street art, because I really love art. I starting upload the photos, animation, the place where you can find the artwork itself and above all the name of the artist, because you promotes art and the artist. And for those who doesn’t know urban art or street, art have always a meaning behind. And these artists, when they go to the street and they start drawing an artwork, I’m not talking about tagging, okay, I’m talking about art itself. And when they are drawing, there’s always a reason behind. So my intention was to know the story behind the hard work and talking with the artists and involving me, myself with the heart itself. I starting put death, uh, put them on the post itself and the persons after that, I can go there and read. What’s the story behind that hard work, the very different way for persons to approach to street art 

Speaker 1 (00:04:44):

And, and street art in, in Portos, kind of, it has a little bit of an interesting history. It was very frowned upon as it has been in many places for quite some time, but it looks like in 2014, actually, a lot of artists were, are commissioned who 

Speaker 2 (00:05:02):

Doesn’t know till 1974 Portugal didn’t have democracy. So till that period of time, we didn’t have street heart all over Portugal. Uh, after 1974, the artist could come to the streets and start drawing on the walls in Liman and cities surrounding Liman. There was a very important in places where we still can find those old pieces in portal, the same happen, but due to the weather conditions, we didn’t have nowadays those kinds of artworks on, on our walls. However, let’s say 1980 in the beginning of nineties, there were, uh, some artists coming to the streets and starting doing a lot of artworks. However, our mayor, by that time, it was a guy who didn’t like at all a street art. And he started erasing every single artist that we had on our, on our streets. That happened till 2014. Imagine during this period of time, we don’t have any kind of history of street art on our streets. 

Speaker 2 (00:06:08):

The, the old artwork that we have here in the city is from 2014. We have street art, but it’s something quite because the person, they were not open mind to having on their cities, this kind of art, they didn’t understand until a few years ago that street art can house to help to human rehabilitation. For instance, here in port from 2014, we starting having a loss of artwork all around. And most of them here in this city are from local artists. If you go to Liman, it’s completely different. Li’s a very big city where you can find a lot of street art and big names are there. For instance, I can remember, uh, there are D for instance, it was the last guy, uh, who went to Liman and paint a very big wall there. And there are lots of names, important names in important. 

Speaker 2 (00:07:03):

No. Okay. It’s the local artist who goes to the streets and starting drawing artworks, connecting the Easter and the culture of the city with the artwork itself. We have names like Mr. Dell, uh, for the draw God mass and those names. You can find actors from them at my Instagram page and you’ll sees different styles. And for instance, we have a guy here, which is Azu is very, very, very, very well known. He had already some exhibitions in Paris, in Frank as Mr. Day. And Fred Coro have done also that and the history itself, he is quite important for the persons to understand the meaning of street art. But as I said, Portugal have lots of other cities with very important pieces overall. 

Speaker 1 (00:07:49):

So I’m gonna pull up your Instagram page and perhaps we can go through and you can tell us a little bit about all right. Some of those pieces. And one thing that cut my attention is, is you describe yourself as an art aholic. So I’m curious, how, how long have you been an art aholic? 

Speaker 2 (00:08:07):

I think it was since I was a kid because I really love art. I literally love to draw love very much to take photos. I love cinema house. Okay. Art from me is something that should be present all in all my life. Uh, music is always present in my life when I’m working every single day. I’m listening music. I have to always to be connected with, with heart, for instance, here, my right side. Okay. I have MyPhone. I have a book to read, for instance, as I said to you. Okay. Uh, it’s important for me to be connected with art, a part of me that, uh, should always be present. Otherwise it’s always work, work, work. 

Speaker 1 (00:08:49):

I, I can definitely relate. Yeah. And, and do you, do you make art as well, or are you mostly involved in promoting works? 

Speaker 2 (00:08:57):

Uh, I make art, but, uh, I’m not a very good drawer at all. Not like them at all. <laugh> 

Speaker 1 (00:09:02):

But you generally like to make some art as well. 

Speaker 2 (00:09:07):

Yes. Make some art writing houses, something like I like very much in the near future. The idea is to urban art, poor still be a blog also where persons can have the chance to, to read more about art in a different cities in Portugal, and eventually, um, also as you have a YouTube channel where I can invite artists to come and interview them and pass the information to those who wants to know information about the portugese artists. 

Speaker 1 (00:09:35):

Excellent. You wanna, do you wanna do like a mini walkthrough of 

Speaker 2 (00:09:38):

Yes. That one. It’s the latest art that we have here in portal. It’s a very beautiful one from a port two based artist. His name is Nuun. You can find his Instagram page third, the way it draws his from me. It’s, it’s amazing. Most of the time mg combines, uh, elements, uh, not in this case, cause it’s more like a portrait regarding the flowers, which are quite important here in this city. This kind of flowers is an image from the city and also the birds because we port is near the sea. So now normally we have a lot of, or all over the city, which sea, for instance, on this one, it was commissioned by the city council. Our mayor invited him to come here and do this artwork when you are checking the, the post. Okay. You’ll see that in the beginning. It’s the name of the artwork it’s written the <inaudible>, it’s the name of the artwork then? The, of the artist, Nu is Instagram page, which is third who, and then the location where you can find it here in city. So if someone wants to go around the city and find some artwork, go to my page and you find all the information there. Yes. You can see the art creator was a be belongs to the city council. And then you have a small explanation about the, the ALS, which is the flower and very flower in the city. 

Speaker 1 (00:11:06):

So somebody could do kind of their own self-guided tour just through your yes. Your Instagram page. Yes. Yes. So you were doing tours. Are you gonna resume your tours? 

Speaker 2 (00:11:18):

Yes. Uh, when these situations COVID stay a bit more calm, as a matter of fact in Portugal situations nowadays is quite good. But when we have, um, a very stable situation, I will restart them. And, um, there were two hours walking around the city was a free tool promoting the, the street art and, uh, above all the artists. It was fantastic. It was a quite interesting experience as I had a lot of persons from all over the world portal. It’s a very well known city in terms of tourism here. And we have lots of culture around and as I am a local citizen here, I know a lot of visitors from the city due to that, I was combining the history of the artwork with history of the city, always portal through street art. And at the end, normally we have an artist, as I said, and we could drink a beer or drink, um, a glass of a portal wine. It was very good. 

Speaker 1 (00:12:13):

Yeah. So, so you were saying earlier, you would surprise the people in your tour with maybe having one of the artists just there. Yes, yes, yes. At the end. I mean, that must have just been, I mean, what, what a great surprise 

Speaker 2 (00:12:27):

<laugh> yes, it was interesting because when I had a chance to have them at the end. Okay. I was in, I think I remember that one that you are now showing the name of the artist is real. Name is Andrea is one of the oldest artists we have here in the city. And he is no is also a tattoo artist, Andrea and he’s known as dirty, ugly, and bad. The, and normally I do this kind of artists around. We have have EA in the city center, just one actor from him because most of them are in abandoned buildings, on surroundings of the city to see it. Okay. We have to drive to those places. And in this case, this one is nearby where he lives, uh, not skirts of the city. And I normally say this is, is private gallery because it’s a very old building, abandoned one. And if you go there, you, you can see a lot of markets from him. And normally you just draw these kind of comics. And 

Speaker 1 (00:13:24):

He’s a tattoo artist. 

Speaker 2 (00:13:25):

He’s a tattoo artist on a city nearby, near portal, which is, MA’s a very well known city due to the sea and the owner, this space, the studio is a guy called Powell boss. And Paul boss is one of the greatest tattoo artists here in the city. And he’s also very good street artist. There, 

Speaker 1 (00:13:45):

There’s kind a long time connection between tattooing and, and, and street art, 

Speaker 2 (00:13:52):

Portugal. Okay. We have a loss of street artists who also tattoo artists because as we don’t have a loss of creating companies creating these kind of, uh, events, so they have to live. So they have to earn money to end of the month. So they open tattoo studios and, uh, they do both, uh, both jobs being an artist on a one sided street artist, but most of the money comes to them through the tattoo. 

Speaker 1 (00:14:19):

It’s really become a great way for, for artists to make, make a living. 

Speaker 2 (00:14:23):

Yes. And it’s interesting, uh, when I visit Dublin in Ireland, if you go for instance, to a hairdresser, a man’s hairdresser in Dublin, most of the spaces are the other side is a tattoo space. And the person work at sat space is also street artist. And I went there, the first artwork that I saw it was inside her, I went there and the guys start looking at me, said, well, you are not Irish. You know, I’m not Irish. I want to take a photograph of that, uh, hardware that you have there. It’s possible. You authorize that. And I show my page and the guy authorized. And he said, well, um, as a matter of fact, okay, I’m the artist, I’m the person who withdrawed this. Oh, fantastic. If you want, I can tell you more, more places where you can go and take, uh, nice shots. 

Speaker 2 (00:15:09):

I said, well, perfect. My idea was to spend only two days there and three days at water Fort, which is a very amazing place also in the island where they have normally every single year throughout festival. Yeah. I didn’t have the chance to go and to do another journey to Ireland, to, to go to water Fort. And by that time I went there and that I saw it’s fantastic place. Uh, Tru re recommend to go to those who like street art and also place another place up north in north island. The name of the place is free dairy or dairy city. However, the English says it’s London dairy and it’s, uh, a place really into thing because most of the buildings have artworks black and white ones, but, uh, they are connected with the Irish Republic army who fight against the English in north Highland. 

Speaker 2 (00:16:03):

And it’s amazing place full of history behind. Okay. I truly also recommend to go there. That’s that’s another place. Hi, on my, you should go. This place is in the city center. This was one of the oldest startups that we had. This artwork is from 2014, 2015, no longer is this to artists is name is AUL is really very well known because by 2014, in 2015, still today, but most of the, on those times he was drawing senses. And why senses because port is a very Catholic country and he was drawing this female sense sense, which protects the persons and the city connecting relief with art and that place where, um, you can see written in portugese a vague do, uh, a key. This was a very old torn that we had here in the city, very old one. And it’s quite interesting because it was a place where you could hit and drink very well. 

Speaker 2 (00:17:14):

And it was quite cheap. I went there several times because as I said, I’m a local citizen. And it, it was interesting because the, the cooker, it was a man fat one, a very strong guy. And, um, he was always preparing the food in front of us to the end cooker. At the end of the day, he, with the, the spare food yet fish or meat, he throw the, that food to that place in front of the Tavern. A lot of cats were coming and eating that food. And that was fantastic because later on, let’s say three years, four years ago, that place closed. And, um, our mayor from the city city council, he invited Spanish artists, Lee, the name of that Lee to come and do an artwork nearby that place. And that artwork is a fun, fantastic. One is, um, blue cat. And it’s amazing why an artist came to the city and he draw a cat and a blue one. 

Speaker 2 (00:18:18):

Why that it season, because here in the city, we have a football team and the football team dresses blue. Then we have the, the river and the sea, which is blue. We have the sky, which is blue. And this city, uh, is really connected with the blue color. And also, uh, there’s lots of things connecting blue, and why a cat, because that place where the it is, is nearby this place. It was connect with the cats connected with that old Tavern. Unfortunately, nowadays we don’t have no longer this Tavern because in this place, nowadays is a, a boutique hotel. The story is this one. And, um, this is the fault of the place. That’s one of the 

Speaker 1 (00:19:05):

Interesting things also about a lot of street art is that it’s temporary. So your role in coming in and photographing it kind of monumentalize 

Speaker 2 (00:19:15):

It to understand that street chat is that okay today exists tomorrow, eventually no longer exists, but, uh, it’s a street art. There are articles which are really connected with the city itself, which should be preserved. Cause it’s part of the city is part of the culture of the place itself here in Portugal. Fortunately, there are some articles already protected by our city council. But another thing, what important is the local artists, we respect each other. So no one crosses the article from another artist. And for those who doesn’t know, crossing is to go to a place and do an artwork destroying the previous one. And no one is doing this nowadays in the city, because this is a small city. Everyone knows everyone, and everyone knows every single artist. So the artist is pre preserved here, respecting 

Speaker 1 (00:20:10):

That piece. Yes. Unlike with a lot of say, like 

Speaker 2 (00:20:14):

Tagging tagging. Everyone says that street art started in, uh, in us, started in New York for instance, in underground. Well, um, sorry, street art is much more than that. We have to go back on time. There are lots of cultures, ancient cultures with that art on the streets. For instance, if you go to the aesthetic, uh, people in Mexico, okay. You will see, uh, either of those, uh, persons, represe art representations on the walls of the streets. So for me, that is also street art, right? Mm-hmm <affirmative>, that is my point of view. If you, we are talking about graffiti, if you are talking about tagging, which is completely different. I, in that case, I agree. Everything started in us on the, on the grounds, Chicago, um, New York in that case. I agree, but in terms of Twitter, my point of view is completely different. Going 

Speaker 1 (00:21:10):

Back to the beginning of time, cave drawings, it just seems to be something that humans have been drawn to do kind of over time. It’s just kind of changed. 

Speaker 2 (00:21:22):

Yes, it’s true. Okay. If you go to those times, okay, we still can see a lot of those representations inside those CAS. And that is hard. Everyone recognized that as hard nowadays, for instance, we have an RTC in Portugal, which is fuels and fuels have a different kind of street art. I truly recommend that everyone goes to his page and see kind of art is doing okay. It’s not painting. Okay. It’s carving wall is completely different and is a very, a very well known artist worldwide. I have to tell you that, um, obey giant, uh, came to Liman more or less. I think it was one year and a half ago, two years ago. Okay. And they have done two very beautiful artworks. On one side, it was view covering the wall. On the other side of the artwork, you will find of a giant artwork. 

Speaker 2 (00:22:10):

Okay. It’s a very interesting mixer of, of art. This one is completely different. The artist is a very young artist here in the city. Doesn’t want that. I wrote any kind of information about him and we still have that problem here. So well, uh, I can do this. It’s totally for the, and my parents can can’t know that I’m an artist and this is quite bad. Talent of the persons have to grow up and we have to appreciate this kind of artwork. Uh, moreover, uh, we have not here in the city center because this artwork is really in the city center and it was not authorized of course, by the, the city council. And if you go to a little outskirts of the city near a very important train station that we have here, you’ll find artwork from an amazing artist that no one knows who is the person. 

Speaker 2 (00:23:00):

And it’s really very beautiful art. And I remember that, uh, when I start taking photos about those artworks, I starting asking to the other artist, do you know who is these artist? And no one knew, okay, no one knew and no one knows. And it’s amazing when I posted the, and when I upload the photos, I had some comments from persons who have been already in portal and asking, oh, well I saw that art worker, but I don’t know also who is the artist? I don’t know. Okay. And still don’t know who is that artist? It’s amazing. Well, and that used to 

Speaker 1 (00:23:33):

Be a as street. Art went from being underground, kind of more in the spotlight. Like it is now that used to be a little bit more common, right. Where you didn’t really know who the artist was or you did, but they, they didn’t disclose their actual identity because it was 

Speaker 2 (00:23:50):

Illegal. Uh, still today here, here in Porto as, also in Liman, but more here in port. Okay. Because most of the article that we can find on the streets are not legal ones. The artists are doing those article. They have then already authorized once for the city council and everyone knows them. But besides of that, they, they prefer sometimes to go to some abundant places here in the city center and go there during the night and do an artwork because it’s, it’s the chemical here. Okay. It’s the chemical to do an artwork without any kind of authorization. We love that. I’ve been with an artist who is now based here, port French one, which is S T R a and St. R a. It’s a French guy is now living here. And he do Sten cell artworks around. And I’ve been here. Uh, I’ve been taking photos when he was doing. And I said to him, well, do you know that everyone knows who, who you are, why you don’t do this during the daylight? Okay. Say, well, well, you know, no, I’d rather prefer to do this, this, okay. It’s the way it is. Okay. He is the artist. It’s how he works. 

Speaker 1 (00:24:56):

But I guess I think it would be different also to work at night in the, you know, as opposed to during the day when people are around and 

Speaker 2 (00:25:04):

You no. And that I had a very, a very interesting situation. It was more or less two years and half ago, three years almost. I was here in portal and three, the artist, John be, uh, came to portal and he sent me a message saying, well, I want to paint something here in portal. And I said, well, fantastic. Eh, let’s go, well, do you have a, any free wall? Legalize it once. No, we don’t have. And nowadays we just have only three, four walls legalized to go there and you can paint during daylight. And by the time we didn’t and I said to him, well, we don’t have, but don’t worry about because your kind of art should be on a very visible place. I will fix one world for you. And I talk with, um, two persons. One is an artist from here from Porto, which is VI and another person, a woman with a store, a close store here in the city center. 

Speaker 2 (00:26:00):

And I talk with her and said, well, well, I, I need your war from your store. So if you don’t mind, I’ll come here with two artists will paint on your store outside. Of course, okay. Something really connect with the city. Do you agree? And she said, yes. Okay, no problem at all. And then she asked me, but it’s not legal. I said, well, no problem. Okay. It’s not legal. But if, uh, if you go there during the night, the post eventually will come because this is in city center. But if you do this during daylight, everyone thinks it is legal, so, okay. Let’s go. Okay. <laugh> okay. And it was interesting, you know, because we, we, we have done that, that will, uh, during Saturday and Sunday, okay. Two days of work and a lots of persons were passing by. Lots of persons were stopping and persons were like this. 

Speaker 2 (00:26:50):

Wow, this is fantastic. This is legal. Yes, it is legal. Okay, fantastic. But can you explain me the meaning of the article? Because that is so beautiful. And I said, well, I can explain you. And I start explaining. And after that, the persons were saying to me, well, it’s important to have this because two days ago, three days ago, this world was really very ugly. Okay. It was a very dark world. Nowadays. We have art here. Yes, we have art. And in this case, in my point of view street, art is free culture. Okay. As a, it is free culture. Okay. We should increment the number of walls in our cities and to pass this information to, to our sons, to our friends, it’s my point of view. And this is the, the point of view that I try to pass to those who are seeing you airport, is to provide free culture to the persons. 

Speaker 1 (00:27:45):

You’re just walking down the street and you see this beautiful, inspiring piece. It’s, it’s just it’s for everybody. And, and I, I think that’s a beautiful thing. 

Speaker 2 (00:27:54):

For instance, you can paint a wall and then you can, for instance, a Kia code to that hard work, which means that the person was walking through, you can check the meaning of that artwork with an application, this, uh, for, uh, mobile. Okay. And check the story on that, uh, which is written on that gear code. Okay. And after that, the perception that the person will have from street art will change completely. Okay. For the, for instance, this case here, it’s, it’s amazing artwork. My last trip, it was to Hamsterdam. I, I love Hamsterdam one week before nearby this artwork. Uh, the Strat Strat is the street art museum in Amsterdam open. And, um, I went there to see the museum itself and outside there’s a lot of, uh, artworks this one, it was done by two to Dutch artist. And this is a tribute, uh, to a very important artist, uh, who passed away with cancer, uh, which is, as you can see the name of, of, uh, him and the explanation of the artwork is a tribute to him. 

Speaker 2 (00:28:58):

And it was done during the king spray day in 2000, 19, 19. This is very, very beautiful. And this, uh, this artist, it was really very well known worldwide in Portugal. We have an artwork from him nearby Liman on a city called this is a very interesting place. And, uh, actually also to recommend to visit the city itself and the, the trap museum where you can find a lots of artworks. This is the prime minister, that’s prime minister. When the, the COVID started, he came to the TV saying to persons to stay at home. A local artist represented him. And with some words in, uh, in the Dutch, behind the portrait, uh, with a message to the persons to stay at home, and this artwork is also nearby the street art museum in Amsterdam, which as I said, is quite new place in Amsterdam. It went several times to Amsterdam because I like the, the city itself. 

Speaker 2 (00:29:52):

I like the places where we can find artworks. For instance, we can find that another important place is we can find is at level park. It’s a very nice place with street art there. Normally you, when you go there, there’s always an artist painting spring, painting all around. As I said, Amsterdam is the one interesting place. Another interesting place that I truly also truly recommend you go is to Iceland, to re Avi where you, you find also very beautiful artist and all of them again, have a meaning, and you can understand the meaning of it due to that K codes, all, all of our, have a Kia code. And you can know the, the meaning of those art through your mobile application. They have a, a rock festival in Heis a name of it is airways. And normally they invite, uh, lots of bands to go there and to, and at the same time, they invite artists to go there and paint some, uh, some walls. But, um, every single wall is connected with a song that band will perform during the airway festival. Uh, ation Berlin is behind the office, uh, artists from all over the world goes 

Speaker 1 (00:31:00):

There and paint. That sounds amazing. 

Speaker 2 (00:31:02):

Yeah, it’s amazing that one is said FLA apart very well done in this case. No one knows who is the artist who have done this one, uh, in Portugal, we have a typical song, which is the father song. It’s a very sad song. And there’s a place in LIBO, let’s say a neighborhood which called Ola in Ola. There’s a lots of big buildings, and most of them have artworks connected with the FA song. Okay. And in some cases, can, you can go there and there’s a KR code where you are enjoying the artwork. And at the same time, you are listening to the FA at your mobile, which is connected with that K code. 

Speaker 1 (00:31:38):

Is there like a particular app for those QR code? 

Speaker 2 (00:31:41):

I can’t remember, uh, the name exactly the name, but in Liman they have, uh, the city council have a department, which is go, go is gallery art. <inaudible>, uh, uh, gallery urban art. They have a special application, uh, where you can download it, then you use it to understand many of those artwork. That’s 

Speaker 1 (00:32:02):

Amazing. I love that. 

Speaker 2 (00:32:05):

Um, the first saw, uh, the first time I saw that it was in Berlin more or less six, seven years ago. So the big walls there had already some of that, because ation Berlin already used that. 

Speaker 1 (00:32:16):

But in cases of say this piece where we don’t know who the artist is, you have to use your imagining. 

Speaker 2 (00:32:25):

Yes, yes. <laugh> yes. It’s true times. It’s not very difficult to, to find out. It’s sometimes it’s linked with another artwork and, uh, if you know, we’ve done the other artwork we can ask to the person, well, tell me one thing. There is an act nearby yours, you know, who is the artist. And sometimes we know in this case, no way at all, talk with the lots of Dutch artists. I talk also with the curator of the street art museum in Hamsterdam. He said, well, I’m so sorry, my friend, in this case, I don’t know at all, who is the artist? Well, and the artist has meant for it to be that way. Another one in same place as the past one, uh, it was done during the Christmas time. And it was done by an old school guy from Dutch one, also, uh, from an old school. 

Speaker 2 (00:33:12):

Okay. And it is more a comic one, but this is also interesting because three art is also is I don’t have a lots of, uh, lettering post street. Art is also Laing. Most of the persons, they don’t like personally, I like Laing because I understand that the persons who are doing letters, they spend lots of time trying to have a different type of letter to join it. Sometimes different colors, sometimes different shapes also. And it’s also interesting to, to see some artworks, because most of the times those artworks lettering ones F 3d are 3d. And, um, depending of the angle that you are taking the pick, the meaning of the photo can be completely different. It’s an old school guy, and it is really very well known there in Amsterdam, another one, uh, from another Dutch artist. And it was quite amazing because when I took this photo and it is a very big wall on this place at FLA market, and you have a loss of artworks and I was taking the peak and I said, well, this is nice, but it’s quite it’s little bit scary. 

Speaker 2 (00:34:13):

And then I uploaded, and it was quite a surprise because a loss of persons like it, I received a loss of private mess say, wow, this is very nice one. Uh, especially from artists from Porto. Ah, uh, did you met the artist? No. No. I didn’t met him. Uh, I have a lot of photos that I took that so far. I didn’t upload it for one reason or another. And then there’s one very interesting. One, two months ago, I was running here in Porto. Suddenly I stopped to take a photo. By that time, I realized that I have lost my ID. I went to a police station to report that. And when I went into the police station, I saw that inside the police station, there was a graffiti. Yes, it was quite strange. Okay. It’s a place that are not expecting to see a graffiti. 

Speaker 2 (00:35:02):

Oh. And I said to the policeman, well, this is a graffiti. This is painted. This is spray painted. And I said, yes, yes. It’s spray painted. Well, but it’s, it’s quite strange because normally you don’t like, yes, yes. But here we like, okay, this is art. And it’s interesting because ask him to take a photo. I have the photo, but then he said to me, well, sorry, but you can’t upload it. And there are a lot of photos that I take and I don’t upload them. For instance, as I said, when I went to north island, the artwork, they are amazing black and white ones, especially most of them are black and white ones. And they report to moments in time of their history. They are really very strong with a very strong meaning from, for their, those persons. It was interesting because I was walking around with a local person and the person was explaining me every single one, the meaning of every single one. 

Speaker 2 (00:36:00):

And at the end, I said to him, well, thanks in a million for, for this moment. It’s amazing. You know, a lot of the, your history, uh, my respect for you is to, I won’t applaud it. And, uh, I won’t applaud it because it’s, it’s, it’s something very, very, very personal that one is in, in Barcelona. And these are here. Beautiful because, um, I don’t know if we have Spanish person listeners, but Spain is a very interesting country full of Israel also as Portugal. And normally I say that Spain is not a country. It’s a lot of countries inside that region and the mentality and the culture of persons in Barcelona, in Catalonia is completely different from the persons in Madrid, that woman, she represents the fight between the cultures between a second city, as it is Barcelona against the power of the main city, uh, the power of the capital, which is in Madrid. And this is something quite interesting because in Barcelona, as in old Spain, but, uh, in Barcelona, they have a lot of very great artists. And most of them, they represent the culture of that part of Spain, uh, the culture of the, the Catalonia and that woman represents lot of that do women in, um, in Spain and especially in Barcelona, they are fighters. Okay. 

Speaker 1 (00:37:25):

I had the opportunity to go to Barcelona about eight years ago and was really taken with the quality of all of the street art there. 

Speaker 2 (00:37:33):

Yes, this is quite recent. One, four years maximum. Wasn’t there 

Speaker 1 (00:37:37):

When I was there. And I probably a lot of the pieces I took pictures of, or maybe most of them aren’t there anymore. 

Speaker 2 (00:37:45):

If you go to the go neighborhood where you can find a lot of artworks, but they are always changing in a part, which is Selmar Lamar is also like say neighborhood where we have a lots of big walls there. And it’s like all of fame, let’s say there you’ll find lots of article from local artists also. But in Barcelona they have one thing which is an organization, which is most liberal, which is means the free walls. And there are some free walls where you can go and do your art. However, those article can have a political and religion and sex, meaning at all. If you have a political meaning, for instance, on next day, someone will go there and he raise the artwork. And, um, it’s interesting because this, um, an iPOP rapper, uh, more a rapper artist, Spanish, one who sang some music against the king Spanish king, and due to that, he’s nowadays on jail. 

Speaker 2 (00:38:42):

And that artist who draw this one, the name of him is rock black block E made a very beautiful art in a city center of Barcelona against the king. On the next day, they raise the art. It’s a pity, but it’s way, it is in the middle that stencil one black and white. It’s, uh, also a very interesting one that art tells a very important story. As you can read, it’s regarding a refugee camp, uh, Maia where a lot of persons are there, refugees, and they live like prisoners, like a and light Sten, which represents the kids who lives in Moria, who lives like prisoners. Portugese artists based in port ARD. ARD is the, the Bastar son. And this is a very important artwork that we have here, uh, in port with the social and political meaning Martin Luther king, everyone knows, okay. In as a whole worldwide, everyone knows these artists who have done this one is, uh, Jugo is a Italian artist. 

Speaker 2 (00:39:44):

And this, uh, this photo was taken in Naples. This neighborhood is one of most poorest neighborhoods in Naples, Naples, a very interesting city. Most of persons they know because it’s not safe. I didn’t feel unsafe there. I went there several times. As a matter of fact, I worked already for an Italian company based in Naples. Okay. So I went there quite a few times, and this is a very interesting place because in this neighborhood, you’ll find artworks from, um, a lot of important persons known and Jugo, uh, represent them, um, in this place, uh, and face, uh, as you can see of, uh, Martin Luther king, these represents warriors and these persons are warriors. So they are warriors. They, they are examples for every single person. Uh, so every single person should the fight for freedom for, um, his dreams. And, um, this is a very interesting way that Jugo represents those persons. 

Speaker 2 (00:40:47):

And when ju is doing the artwork, it’s interesting because behind the portrait of Martin king, he wrote a lot of phrases that likes speech that Martin Luther king have done in these artwork. This is the artwork that you can see, but in the beginning, there was also another artwork. It was only letters from parts of speeches of Martin Luther king. Beautiful. This one is amazing artwork that we have here in the city. Okay. We have a, a project which is fuel empty spaces, and what’s the meaning of this project. Okay. Fuel empty spaces. As we have lots of abandoned buildings here in the city, she’s making some tails as that. Once as you can see different colors from the original ones, fulfilling the empty spaces of the buildings, and then she writes poems on that new tales. And those poems are from very well known art portugese artists. 

Speaker 2 (00:41:50):

And with these all over this city, this is culture. Sometimes when you are walking around the city, you see this and say, wow, this is a poem. How can this be possible? Okay. And this is an article from that to woman. Her name is wan. And at my post, you can read the poem in English. This means restart the means if you can. Okay. And then St Gusti means without anguish, the Saint Presa means, and without a, you have the translation there. And that was my post at the world day of poetry. Tamara O is a portugese artist. She’s based in Liman. I very much her artist, as a matter of fact, normally, uh, she draws women on artworks. And most of the times the artworks are connected with some poems. Also, these artworks was done on the city near Liman, which is Amador and AOR have every single year, a street art festival. 

Speaker 2 (00:42:50):

So it’s a place where you come to portrait. Then I truly re you go to Amador because in every single corner, you’ll find out very beautiful artworks there because the mayor invests a lot in terms of street art, the reality of street art in terms of females on the streets, painting in Liman is completely different from the rest of the country. It was done by a port based a artist, which is ha she’s an architect, but she’s also a street artist, but she’s only one of the few female artists that we have on the streets. I tried to organize a street art festival here in port with the city council. And the idea was just to invite females to come and paint, uh, walls presenting very important females that lived in portal. But unfortunately the city council didn’t authorize that happy. Okay. She’s an architect is one of the artists article that she has done. Normally it’s very easy to recognize her artworks because it just draw this kind of female. That face is more, let’s say, uh, like an orient face. And normally she also draws a cat, uh, on the artworks because she live on a place nearby portal on a farmhouse where she have more than 20 cats. Wow. And that’s why she represents always a cat or almost, or every single we’ve gone through a number 

Speaker 1 (00:44:18):

Of images. Are there any others you’d like to be highlight 

Speaker 2 (00:44:23):

One of those that you are now passing because most of them are inside Strat. The Strat is in Amsterdam, the street art museum. I went there just to, to enjoy the city, of course, but also to, to go there because the museum had opened only one week before that I went there. And it’s very interesting place because those campus that you can find there are quite big. That one is, uh, five meters to nine meters spray paint, one done by that by a Canadian artist, desire. Most of them have a very interesting meaning behind, and you can find that meaning in every single place in museum, cause you go to the museum and they can provide you a book, small book where you can read all the information regarding the heart work. It’s a very, very good time there. And it’s on the, on a new part of Hamsterdam on north part of Hamsterdam. And it’s, it’s good to, to go there. I truly recommend you. You 

Speaker 1 (00:45:25):

Like to travel a bit, if there was a destination that you were specifically going to forest street art that maybe you haven’t been to yet is, is there a place 

Speaker 2 (00:45:38):

There are lots of them. <laugh> there’s lot them, the place that I really love it was <inaudible> in Iceland. Then the place that I would love to go is bueno Irish, Argentina, because, um, I like very much the way the, the artists, the Argentina artists, they, they paint, uh, because most of them, they don’t use spray cans. They use brushes mm-hmm <affirmative> so you can see very beautiful artwork all around by a Irish, but in Argentina. Okay. But especially in BU and most of them are spray painting once I will turn on my light. Okay. It’s better. 

Speaker 1 (00:46:21):

It’s nighttime where you are. Yes. Middle of the day here, 

Speaker 2 (00:46:24):

South America, it’s a place that I would love very much to, to go, to, to take some photos, not only in Argentina, but also in, uh, in Chile special, it’s not of Santiago, Chile. There is a place called Val Paso. And in Val Paso, you have a lot of walls and a very interesting projects also in Colombia. Uh, and we know colos that, uh, drug destination let’s say and safe one, but, um, there are quite interesting project in Meline, especially in those neighborhoods where they were the main points of the drug dealers. Nowadays, everything is, looks like it’s safe. Lots of persons who lives there, they are doing tools, uh, on those places to explain the street chart, which exist inside of those neighborhoods. So, uh, I said to you, Colombia, Chile, Argentina are places that I would love very much to go. And of course us, because us, you have lots of things to, to, to see and take photograph. Um, in us, I’ve been quite a few times in New York, but, uh, us is not 

Speaker 1 (00:47:31):

New York. Well, okay. Going back a little bit, you, you had mentioned that there’s a number of artists that you kind of represent them. Yes. You help them out in terms of their more kind of gallery museum aspects of their career. So, so it is kind of interesting. I think that connection between the actual original context of street art, to putting it on a canvas and, and bringing it inside into a gallery and, and that’s been a little controversial over the years, hasn’t it? 

Speaker 2 (00:48:04):

Yes. Uh, actually agree with you. Okay. Uh, a bit controversial as we don’t have, at least in Portugal, like so many corridor projects for outside, they have to live their lives. So the idea is to, to pass their hearts to some art galleries and try to have, uh, some not solo exhibitions in every single part of the world matter fact, when I, I visited city, okay. I always try to, to find out art galleries, I visit and I stay there for quite a while a while. And I started to do some contacts with those persons. And after that, I came with those contacts and I passed the names to the owners of those, those art galleries. And I’m always trying to support those artists here from, uh, from portal. I’ve done that already in Paris endorsement, for instance, in Germany, I’ve done already some exhibitions, some solid exhibitions, special endorsement. 

Speaker 2 (00:49:02):

And, um, it’s interesting because it’s a way they, they start being recognized, uh, well known, uh, in other, in other parts of the world in not only in Portugal, of course, this is one way we can promote them. Another way is to talk with the mayors from different cities in Portugal and explain to them that, um, street art is, as I said, it’s culture. And, uh, what I do sometimes is to go to those cities and I start taking some picks about some buildings. And then I try to understand what the most important thi persons on those cities, which is the customs of those cities. And then I, I, I starting showing projects to those, uh, city councils explaining to them that it’s quite important. Okay. They have, uh, the culture, uh, the customs of the, the city, several represented on the streets. It’s the way we can do this, is inviting those artists to, to go there and, and spray paint. 

Speaker 2 (00:50:00):

Unfortunately, most of the cities, they don’t don’t agree. Uh, it’s a question of time. We have to keep on and keep on. Uh, because one day they will say, yes, I me just to, to support Amir, just to help. I don’t want nothing from this. So my idea is just to, to help the artists, because most of the times these artists, they are very good artists, but, um, they don’t have the commercial part. They are very good fellows and nothing more than very good fellows. And the idea is more than that is to, to promote and then, uh, trying to put them earning money because they, at the end of the month, they, they, they must have money at their bank accounts, buy food and pay their bills. Of course, one day, for sure, the, the mentality in Portugal will change. It’s changing already. It was worse five years ago, six years ago. 

Speaker 2 (00:50:50):

Um, the mentality and the perception of this kind of artists was completely different. The things are changing slowly, but it’s the way it is. We must be here and present and show them pro project. And then another important thing, it’s like a joke, but it’s true. It’s waiting for elections who I know we have elections, the mayors should show to the people that they are working. They are caring, taking care about people. So when we will have elections, we have to, to send them proposals. And eventually due to that, they will say, yes, if, uh, we send 10 and one say, yes, it’s fantastic. I mean, at least, 

Speaker 1 (00:51:28):

Well, I mean, it seems like it’s already, already come a long way. 

Speaker 2 (00:51:32):

Yes. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a very long way. As a matter of fact, what we have and for sure what we’ll we will have. And I think it’s important. It’s, uh, we have a lots of buildings being construct over the country instead of having, um, let’s say a wide wall on a building. Why not from the beginning, have a piece of art. 

Speaker 1 (00:51:52):

And then in terms of different types of street art, there’s, I think kind of more, what kind of people are used to is, is spray paint as a medium. Yeah. But then you’d mentioned earlier, and I, I was looking at a guy’s work last know if it was the same guy, a French artist who was kind of more carving into the buildings. 

Speaker 2 (00:52:14):

Well, uh, yeah. Uh, we have the spray painting. Of course we have the, the stencil technique. We have the past technique also. And, uh, we have here artists who we use the stencil art, the French guy, the T R a artists, the bastard son is a portugese artist. Also, we use the stencil artist, but as a matter of fact, here in Portugal, let’s say we have three very well known artists for the stencil technique, which is, uh, Danielle aim. Okay. Danielle aim is from portal. Uh, then we have wish Kiko in south. He also a very good artist. He spent a lots of time in, in Amsterdam, and now he’s living here again in, um, in Portugal and, um, Liman Bay’s artist is Jean Samina. Okay. These three guys, they paint very big walls with that technique, the, the 10 cell one. Okay. But in my opinion, the guy that I really love, we don’t have, as far as I know, uh, any artwork from here in Portugal is a French guy. 

Speaker 2 (00:53:21):

He’s known as C 2, 1 5 is really a very good artist in terms of that Sten cell technique. And then we have the, the past technique, but also the spray paint, the guy, as you mentioned, cars, the wall, which is the portugese artist views. And we have another artist who do install, and there’s a lot of artists all over the world who, who recharge installations. And this one is also based in Liman, which is Bal and Bal do installations all over the world with the recycle objects. And it’s quite interesting because I remember one have done it’s on the city near Liman on a, on a wall from an hotel, and it’s a crab crab, a very big crab and old material used. It was beacon from the center, from the, from the beach of that place. It’s, it’s a very interesting project. It’s to brand awareness of his name, of course, on the way, but also it’s regarding sustainable tourism cycle, important recycle things is also quite important. And how 

Speaker 1 (00:54:29):

About wheat paste? Do you see a lot of wheat paste in portal? 

Speaker 2 (00:54:32):

Yes. Yes, we have. We have lots of horses. We do at time times, I upload some artworks from them. Every single corner you have artworks here. If you come to, to find a very interesting things to see and do okay. Regarding culture, we have lots of museums fortunate. We don’t have anyone connected with street art, but we have lots of museums, theaters, cinemas, places where you can enjoy every single type of music. Also, we have the music house here, which is a very interesting building in terms of architecture here in the portal. You, you spend just one week checking every single artwork that you you find around. For instance, one of the interesting places that we have here is a car parking where first retail festival took place in 2015, there is a level of that car. Parking is the fifth level of that car parking, where every single wall artwork from that time. And it’s really, really very well preserved. And, um, I har from, most of them are from artists here from Porto. Exception is one from the artist from Liman, uh, that female Tamara house came here and, uh, have done their, a very beautiful artwork on the wall. Do you have a 

Speaker 1 (00:55:47):

Current favorite piece? That’s on a wall in Pau? That’s probably a hard question. 

Speaker 2 (00:55:54):

Yes, it is. Uh, because I love lots of them. Let’s say there are artworks with a very interesting story behind. Normally everyone loves one artwork from Mr. Di, Mr. There is the most well known artist that we have. The north is very well known already worldwide. They art. So all over the world and the art that he have here in portal is the city center is very beautiful. Matter of fact, he’s his father holding our ex liers city xLi, which is ale tower. I love that one, but I rather prefer an artwork no longer, as a matter of fact, no longer exist. It was an artwork from a local artist, God mess. And yes, just draw an important artwork on a very poor neighborhood here in, in the city. And, uh, with a message. It was a man with a message to our mayor because by that time, that message was simple. 

Speaker 2 (00:56:51):

Don’t sell every single old building in this space because he was selling that to rich persons were reconverting those old buildings to autos hostels guest houses. And due to that, the local citizens, they were not allowed to live there anymore. And we were talking about old persons who live their lives all time there, unfortunately out of no longer this, but it was one of my favorite ones because I have a very interesting story behind because when a tourist goes to a city and I, now I’m talking as a tourist, normally I don’t lo I don’t go to the spotlight points. I rather prefer to stay on the square, sitting on a, in front of a coffee, a coffee place eventually, and see the persons going by. And then I rather prefer to start talking with local persons to know how it is the city itself, because if the idea is to go to a museum, okay, I can do that. 

Speaker 2 (00:57:51):

Nowaday day is going to Google. Okay. I Google it. I write name of museum. Uh, and for sure there is a virtual tool to that museum, and I have chance to see, um, uh, but I don’t have the chance to talk with a local citizen. Uh <affirmative> through Google. So I’d rather prefer to go to a city and try to start a conversation with a local person and try to understand how it is the city through the Heights of that person. And if the, the city starting having this, uh, ation in terms of tourism is very bad. I hope we, this, uh, COVID situation, uh, the person starting understand that for instance, uh, VE is in Italy, it’s a very interesting place to visit, but if you go to a place where it’s fully crowded, you won’t see anything. If you go to a museum, try to see Mon Ali and, uh, you don’t have the chance to see because there’s so many persons trying to see what’s the meaning to go to that museum. 

Speaker 2 (00:58:50):

As a matter of fact, I have that experience at Marco museum in Amsterdam. Uh, Marco museum is a, a museum in Amsterdam, which is linked also with street art. And when I went there last time they had, um, a banks B, I went to, to see the vision. And it was amazing because there was so many persons inside museum. And I said to myself, what, what I’m doing here. Okay. I’m not seeing anything I’m just seeing as of persons, it doesn’t make sense at all. Okay. But it’s the way it is. And I hope with this situation, when the tourisms will restart, really again, the persons have a different perception. We should have a sustainable tourism, a responsible one. And the responsible is not just thinking about profit is thinking about, of all, about the local persons reporting local initiatives also. And this is the, the way I, I see the things and I hope that one day, uh, the persons will understand this. And I’m sorry to, uh, I, I, I question was simple. Okay. And I start talking, I’m so sorry. <laugh> no, no, 

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):

No, no, I I’m all for that. You, you had something to say and I handed you the microphone. I mean, you’re obviously passionate about the place you live and art, and I kind of consider food art. Do you have a favorite local type of 

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):

Food or nowadays let’s say I’m a vegetarian. I change a lot of my habits of eating and also a bit of drinking also. But in terms of meat, we have a lot of typical plates plates here to eat meat. There is a sandwich, a very typical sandwich here in portal named France, it’s meat, bread, egg, French fries, spicy all on one sandwich, all in one sandwich, the 

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):

French fries are in the 

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):

Sandwich. Yes, yes, yes. And on the top of it, you have the heck it’s, it’s the, a typical sandwich that we have here. And it’s quite heavy, uh, to say that if you eat that, I think it’s better. You, after the dinner, you go for a long walk. Besides of that, we have a very good, uh, tradition in terms of meat and fish. Uh, not only in port all around, uh, port, and of course the wine, the Portugal is really very well known due to dine. Not only do the port wine, which is nearby port it, uh, to valley, but typical wine, the red wine and white one, normally the best red ones are up north and the best white ones are on the south, on a region named a on that region. It’s a very beautiful place, especially inland where you have, um, typical farmhouses, big ones. 

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):

And most of the, I have 10 bedrooms, uh, with private swimming pools. It’s quite hot on that part of poche and they have also very typical food, special meat, the white wine, white wine, sorry, there is quite, is quite good, but there are other places in Portugal where you can go, uh, on, uh, let’s say, on a road trip, picking Aari in the port and just stopping on the south of Portugal in Algar area, which is very well known due to the beaches there. And then we have also the Icelands like Madea, Iceland, and so is, they’re quite good for AOR island is paradise for those who love echo tourism. Uh, I, I remember that I read, um, an article about, uh, about AOR and they were saying that AOR is like AOI, but in Europe, it’s beautiful place, green nine islands, uh, all of them completely different from each other, but they are, um, very good in terms of tourist there, special, the sustainable tourism, they tourist. And then the food also is very good. I’ve been 

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):

Asking people recently on about time traveling, if you could time travel, is, is there a place or time to your mind? 

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):

I would love very much to, to travel to, to the sixties. In fact, I born in 1966, but I would love to leave that it movement. I would love to be at Woodstock. For instance, I think was completely different in terms of mentality. Everything was free. I love very much how we up as human beings. I, I can see that very interesting developments in terms of science, in terms of architecture, in terms of future, a very big question, mark, all this connection that we have nowadays with technology, what, what will be the future? So I, I don’t want to, to know, okay. I’d rather prefer to wait and see and enjoy every single day of my life. Right. But, um, where I would love to be in, on those sixties yes. In us, I would love to be in us or eventually also in UK, uh, when it was the periods of the, the Beatles, for instance, it was very interesting that social movement that, uh, happened by that time. Do you 

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):

Have favorite music now? 

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):

Yes. Yes I have. Of course I love very much. Well, I I’m, I’m very EC classic. Okay. In terms of music, I can listen for instance later I’ve yet very and opera. I can listen. I don’t have problems with that. As a matter of fact, I remember it was my second time in Milan. I went to the scholar of Milan to listen to an opera. And it was a very interesting experience. I, I love it. I love it. Uh, but I don’t listen to opera every single day. It’s not my type of music. Sure. But it’s interesting because every single opera ever story behind, and it’s interesting that you want 10 before you listen. And my favorite one is Pearl jam. I love very much Pearl jam. And my wife and I, we went to Phile in Italy just to see the man performing on the stage. It was a solo show from him. And we went there to see him performing on year. Uh, next year of show that he performed in inference. We went to Liman to seed band, the Pearl jam band. And it was really amazing. I like very much him. I like the band. I like the type of music they perform, but I like the person in his, the other ones that I like. But, uh, Pearl jam is my favorite one. 

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):

Definitely, definitely grew up listening to Pearl jam so I can appreciate that. <laugh> but I’ve never actually had the opportunity to see them play live. Oh. So when did you, when did you see them? 

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):

Well, uh, I saw him in Hawks, which is a rock festival in, in Italy, in, okay. I went there to fin just to see him performing, uh, and take some photos of course, of street art, but especially to see him in performing at Nevada, it was two years ago. I went to Liman because they have rock festival named alive and they picked name alive from pro. I went there to, to see him on the second row because we love to see the shows there are, are almost on the stage. Okay. Let’s say, okay. And it was on the, on the second row and it was, um, a very good experience. I love it very much. <inaudible> is, um, an excellent performer, uh, excellent singer, but also, uh, an excellent musician. I don’t know if you know that he performs a lot of instruments, so he is a very, he’s a compos also. So he is really, really very good. 

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):

So, so in terms of collecting, do you collect any art? 

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):

Normally I buy some artworks street artworks on those artists here at home. I have quite a few. I have one from, for instance, from Tama house that, uh, street artist from Liman. I have another one from God mess. I have another one for instance, from Costa also, which is artist here from Porto. And normally I try to, to buy artworks and, um, I have them here all around my 

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):

House. So, so are a lot of those artists offering prints these days of maybe pieces that were actually originally painted on walls? 

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):

Depends, uh, depends. There are artists who reproduce those art, who, what they have done on the walls on, um, on a paper and then they, they sell those archs and another one, they, they produce unique artworks for instance, at this stage, as we were talking about Tamara, Tamara is now having, um, an exhibition in Liman. So exhibition in Lisman and most of those articles she produced for the exhibition are on sale, uh, to website. And none of them are, uh, on the streets. It depends very much of the, of the artist, 

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):

But most of the pieces have you, that you’ve picked up, have they been from the artist? 

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):

Normally they’re from artists and normally I’m, I just pick to some that they haven’t done, uh, on the streets points. I can tell you one example of God, mess, God mess is an RCC from portraits, really very good heart and very interesting technique. And in the beginning, most of the article from him were just red ones. He was drawing persons for instance, or birds. Okay. But most of the artists were red. Uh, you, he was using all time the red color and he was, he was using red color because it was his way to express anger. Okay. For the persons. Okay. He was upset with something, he was drawing, uh, with the red color. Okay. But then what happened? He moved to Greece where he went to te Sal there an exhibition. And as he was that kind of artist, a person was drawing all the time, social conflicts, political conflicts, and Greece is one of those kind of countries where they are always fighting against everything. 

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):

They love him. And they invite him to do a solid exhibition. He have done that there, uh, he had a lots of success and then he came back, he came back, he produced here an exhibition in portal, again with the red collar. And suddenly he moved to Brazil when he went to Brazil, he spent there, uh, I think it was something like three or four of months in several cities in Brazil is starting painting, uh, on the walls at fave. Fave is like the very poor neighborhood. And you have lots of them all over the Brazil, especially for instance, in the Rio Janero and in Sao Paulo type of the artworks that you can find in south America by popular artists. Most of them are really very, and he started painting also on a very different way. He started painting. Okay. Uh, things connected with local costumes and not only with red color, but with lots of colors. 

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):

When he came back to portal, he stopped drawing with the loss of colors. And when he was doing that, he produced free canvas. I bought one of them because in my point of view is the, the way turn around is a different way. Yes. Express art. And this is one thing that I really love on artists. There are very good artists all over the world and they start drawing on the way and they fix that way till the end. I respect. And I truly understand is the way they draw the way they express themselves. But I rather prefer an artist who start drawing on the way, and then it changed to another away. And then it changed again. And then it changed again. I rather prefer this kind of artist, an artist who Ude, who are growing up with this style with combination of colors, for instance, different styles. And these artists from port to God mess is one of those artists, an artist who started in a way, but he’s growing up in terms of his style, in his technique, the mix of colors. And when he have done those three or four canvas, I bought one of them because the moment in time in his career. So due to that, uh, I bought it. And, uh, and 

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):

This is it. I love that. Mm-hmm <affirmative> well, it’s been really great talking with you. I, is there anything else you’d like to toss out any specific other or other artists that you wanna mention? 

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):

Great pleasure for me. It’s been talking with you and been talking to all of those who are seeing us and listen us. It’s great. It’s fantastic. Thanks very much for your invitation. Thanks very much to give me the chance to talk about you port and above all. Uh, you gave me the chance to talk about lots of artists during these, these minutes that we talk. I tried to mention most of the artists that we have here. Okay. I mentioned lots of names because the idea is that, as I said, uh, is to promote street art with above is to promote the art. They, they should have our respect. They have our support because they provide us free culture. Uh, I think it’s the third time that I’m saying this free culture, but it’s the way it is. 

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):

It’s important. And I couldn’t agree more and, and I’m happy to have you on the show. I’ll include it in the description below your Instagram page. Cuz that seems to be the easiest way to, 

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):

And if you start writing urban art portal, you’ll find out, I try to add something really connected with the topic of the page, which is the urban art. And of course link it with my city. Uh, I could write urban art worldwide, but no I’m from here. I’m proud to be a, a port of citizen, so okay. It should be port. Okay. And this is it. Well, thank 

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):

You so much and stay in touch and really appreciate talking to you. And hopefully, maybe next year I’ll, I’ll say, Hey, I’m coming to Porto and uh, you can show me around the actual murals that are up then 

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):

Of course, uh, you are more than welcome. I’ll be here with my white, my arms wide open to receive you. And don’t forget a promise is a promise. If you come, I’ll be here. As I said, and then you can eat Francis, but I will read back and everyone who is listening to us, you can send me message to Instagram and say, okay, I I’m going to portal. I’m going to portal. I, and I can help you give you some, uh, ideas of what to do here and where to, where you can find very good street art. Also, no problem at all. I’m here to, to help because in my point of view, we are here in this planet planet to help each other, helping each other. The, the key point in my point of view, it was a great pleasure. Uh, bless you all the best. All of you are listening us and, and seeing us, uh, greeting from portal. And as I said, you, all of you are welcome here in my city, come and, uh, enjoy byebye. 

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):

Well, have a good night. Thank you for watching art in the a raw, I hope you enjoyed meeting Fernando and his virtual tour of street art. We have more content coming up, all conversations with creative people in all different mediums. So if you see the value in that, please like comment and subscribe.