Art + New Tech with Josh Gallegos

Anne Kelly (00:00:11):

Welcome to Art in the Raw. Art in the Raw is a series of candid conversations with creative people. And tonight I’m excited to introduce you to my friend, Josh Gallegos, Josh is a artist and he is also an entrepreneur. And he’s gonna tell us tonight about his art and how he is making a living as a creative person. And a lot of that involves collaborating with other creative people if this is your first time watching, I’m your host Anne Kelly, if you’d like to know more about who I am, check out the links in the description below, but in a nutshell, I’ve been working in the gallery world for about 15 years now. I moved to Santa Fe New Mexico, about 20 years ago to further immerse myself in the art scene as well as to go to art school. And I started art in the raw about halfway through 2020 as a way to keep people inspired. That includes myself and connected. So tonight, uh, I’m pleased to introduce you to Josh. Welcome Josh. Thank you Anne , And where are you tonight?

Josh Gallegos (00:01:31):

I am in Littleton, Colorado. That is about, uh, 20 minutes, 30 minutes from downtown Denver, Colorado, and, uh, by, uh, little bit of nature, not too far from the city. And

Anne Kelly (00:01:45):

I think we switched places because I moved from Denver to Santa Fe and you’re from New Mexico. Right.

Josh Gallegos (00:01:54):

You know, actually I was born in Houston, but spent about most of my, eh, I would say about half my childhood, New Mexico. My parents were originally from there. So most of my roots, you there, it’s been about a third of my life in the bay area, cuz my mom eventually moved there. But yeah, I still go back to New Mexico. My wife’s from New Mexico, my family, my dad’s fam who came from a family of 17 is, is there in Albuquerque and my mom’s family up north and some of them peppered in Albuquerque and San Fe <affirmative> so, yep. That’s still a cornerstone there.

Anne Kelly (00:02:27):

So you are an artist and a business owner. Some of that’s kind of connected.

Josh Gallegos (00:02:36):

It’s been about 20 years now. I got in a web design to help both promote my own art, uh, being younger and trying to build my portfolio for college. And I really liked electronics and, and math grown up as well. And it was kind of a mesh of two worlds. And essentially when I started selling my services, it was to both artists and uh, real estate in Santa Fe. And when that happened, I inevitably got introduced to other artists and some galleries and some other real estate people. And learning about the parade of homes. You kinda see how these two worlds collide because how do you stage the home and get put people don’t wanna live there? Well, it’s, it’s, especially with these high-end homes, it’s about putting amazing art and craft, uh, throughout the home. And it was just so interesting to see this when I was younger, cause it was a different Santa Fe than I was ever exposed to.

Josh Gallegos (00:03:31):

Not only were some of the artists, some of my initial clients, it was also about learning. Well, if I can get really good at helping, not only businesses, but myself learn the business from other businesses, apply these things like the internet to help my own art, but potentially by meeting other artists and helping them the world would go around. Uh, we started doing, I, I started meeting artists because of, I was able to help with websites. I was able to, uh, create art shows because we were able to kind of share the load and promotion and, and setting up the art show, which a lot of these guys knew how to do that. I didn’t. So originally I was really into art, but I didn’t know a lot of artists, but doing the web thing and helping real estate people got me into meeting some of these people.

Josh Gallegos (00:04:20):

And then as I met, you know, as other friends that I knew that kind of knew other artists, they kind of started introducing me. I mean, I was able to be introduced to you. Um, and some of the friends that, you know, I mean, that was kind of a thing when I was in Santa Fe that, um, I was disconnected until I actually started having a reason to go up to an artist and say, Hey, what are you? You know, I like your, we should do something. Maybe I can help you. Maybe we can help each other. And then suddenly it seemed like, Hey, here’s a, here’s a way I can start being proactive and approaching these people who seem to know everything I don’t. And even now 15 years later now I’m developing more custom software for different businesses. But I always try to have certain amount of my clientele being in the arts. Uh, both because I love the arts, but I’m such a big fan, uh, live performance music, interactive arts. I like to always have some of those disciplines to learn not only to help, but to be involved. And I know that’s when work’s not

Anne Kelly (00:05:22):

Work, that’s the dream right. When work’s not work.

Josh Gallegos (00:05:26):

So, you know, like anybody else, we’re all trying. You always gotta do some work. It’s not always pretty.

Anne Kelly (00:05:31):

Maybe not every detail is the dream, but overall

Josh Gallegos (00:05:36):

Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah. And if you like the people you you’re working with and you love the stuff dealing with such as art, it it’s definitely the best of both worlds. Yeah.

Anne Kelly (00:05:47):

And in terms of your own art making, what is that story?

Josh Gallegos (00:05:50):

So I pretty much started drawing ever since I can remember having a memory. I mean, basically since I was two or three, I was drawing with chalk, uh, paint anything. Well, I had some artists in the family. It was something that I kinda had to do by myself. And then eventually I had some step family that I got close to when I moved into the bay area in California. And at this same time, Silicon valley was bubbling up. So you kinda have these two extremes of, uh, both the art world and grunge music and punk and, and all these things. Uh, yet some of the best athletes aren’t playing football and basketball, but some of ’em are doing X games and all this stuff. And it was just a different culture compared to the gangster rap and stuff that was happening in New Mexico at the time.

Josh Gallegos (00:06:39):

And these guys were doing art. I mean, they were for fun drawing, crazy pictures of, and replications of comic books and, you know, getting these behind the scenes movies of the Crow and Spawn and, and it was just this old different culture of, and they would just have such a big impression on me. It, it just made me work that muscle. When I came back to Santa Fe, it was hard to keep up like a cohesive friends who did art, but you could see art everywhere in Santa Fe. So you knew it was there. It was always just kind of elusive. So like it wasn’t until I was older and doing business. Did I kind of find a way to kind of cross over to the other side because it’s not just some people trying to make it at art. There is some world class art in Santa Fe.

Josh Gallegos (00:07:23):

I mean, it’s just crazy. You, you see this line, you gotta cross over and it’s just so interesting, but getting into art, I mean, it was something where I was going to school in high school and all I was thinking was double major. Let’s get a scholarship for science and business and art. Somehow all fitted in that, cause there’s no way that’s gonna pay the bills. And uh, suddenly I just realized like a lot of people do in colleges, you gotta do what you love or else you’re not gonna be that great at it. Web design. And that kind of thing helped match some of the business and technical parts, but eventually I started applying and doing my art on the side. It helped me pay the extras for my school. Uh, I started my business in college and I was able to start selling my art and tech at the same time.

Josh Gallegos (00:08:08):

And kinda the rest is history. I had a scholarship to the San Francisco art Institute, but at the time there was just no way I was gonna be able to afford to live in California, by myself and all of these things. But I was able to the same time show artwork to real estate agents and people who are close to galleries and things. And though I was making some money, it was always a part of, okay, how do you make it your more of your life? How do you all right, how do you, how do you get the, a good part of the art to do more than the business part? Because when it comes to tech and business, people just need that quicker. And it’s more obvious with art it’s, uh, you gotta be creative. You know, you gotta know that business and that’s a tricky business that, um, they don’t, they don’t teach everything in school about doing that, uh, with my business and web design software, I’ve been able to make some of those connections and now trying to get back in the game.

Anne Kelly (00:09:08):

But I mean, I think that’s something you’ve you’ve really excelled at is you’ve got that, that art, that creative aspect of you, but then think you’re kind of exploring some new technologies.

Josh Gallegos (00:09:20):

When I was doing websites though, some of those things can evolve a lot of people and ideas, which is cool, but a lot of working parts. And as I went down the rabbit hole, I started developing more software, which is cool and more cutting edge things. The problem is it can be, that’s a very lonely scenario because if you could imagine the more excited people are about something that you might invent for them or that they’re a part of. Everybody wants to keep it a secret though. I’ve, I’ve been a part of some really good stuff. There’s been a lot of amazing ideas that whether it been greedy people or, or just sometimes businesses don’t work out, I haven’t been able to even explain what I did because that’s how we legalities of things work. It was at the time part of a bigger dream, but that’s, you know, sometimes these things happening and, you know, I have a lot of interesting story, but was actually involved in doing some with the music industry that was gonna be really cool.

Josh Gallegos (00:10:20):

And I think, I think we’ll still maybe do it, but, but it was about, um, doing something with essentially technologies that not only help musicians and people essentially organize and, and make the show happen and sync up in, in this amazing way. So, uh, things just flow smoother, embedded in that with some opportunities to actually do interactive art in music, in some of these big music shows and some of these things that are out these days for people to let’s say, do certain body movements and make projectors happen, or people use their cell phone or the web page to interact with something that’s actually live in a different location. It’s almost like Meow Wolf meets the web. These are the same technologies that not only people are craving for things like COVID where people are no longer able to interface with a person, but maybe don’t need don’t want to touch things.

Josh Gallegos (00:11:25):

So they use body movements or tapping their phone and then things interact with them and learn over time. But then at the same time, other could, people could be interacting in different locations. And, and I know that sounds very kind general, but in what the hope would be maybe down the road is I like what Meow Wolf and those people are doing that idea of making new experiences or arts where it’s taking some of the beauty of color design and three dimensional and, and, and two dimensional design, but then adding this whole scenario that couldn’t have been hap happened before, cuz technology has just been created, uh, whether it be real time interaction or projection, 3d projection, I mean, unbelievable stuff. Now, all this stuff, believe it or not crosses over with things like automation in a warehouse, you know, uh, things, people in the military need.

Josh Gallegos (00:12:21):

Uh, but also, um, what they’re really learning a lot and things like Denver university, uh, I’ve been working with a lot of kids from there that are working with things like in the emerging arts programs and emerging technologies programs. And they’re basically like touching on all these cool tech scenarios where they’re learning about the sensors and how things can display in creative, amazing ways. And what I, where I’m coming in is I’m able to show how you can connect that to the internet. And then suddenly these systems can communicate with each other on demand and you just get this pallet of interactive, uh, environment that not only could be beautiful, but I’m actually working with a lot of schools to try to make some of these environments that could be something to try to get the kid out of the confined room and computer and do something that might be more memorable because they’re interacting things, whether they’re press, it’s not about necessarily pressing buttons, but it could be about body movements. It could about the interactions. It could be about voice and, uh, interacting with three dimensional, um, objects. I mean, the thing is, is that while that seems like crazy physics and electronics and all this stuff, you could imagine, this is all, anything that could be meshed in an interactive environment. I don’t know if you’ve seen what they’re doing in Meow Wolf for the Denver spot, but it is absolutely huge. And it’s gonna be magnificent.

Anne Kelly (00:13:51):

I’ve I’ve been watching what they’re doing in both Denver, as well as Las Vegas. It’s looking pretty wild. I gotta say. And just in terms of what you’re up to, I mean, with this crazy COVID year, I don’t know, it must be interesting to be in the business that you’re in, where not that all of, uh, you know, everything digital wasn’t important before, but it’s 20 times more important just in terms of communicating.

Josh Gallegos (00:14:25):

It’s it’s really interesting. It’s, it’s definitely true that the demand is up, but it’s also true that I don’t know, one digital company that has just been having a smooth write up right now. I think what it is is just one of those times where if you know how to change and transition, there is more opportunity. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, it’s, it’s like, like for me, for instance, I mean, I’m, I’m working with this amazing tech, uh, that deals with concerts now, concerts are suddenly shut down. You know, I had to change half my company, you know, um, I knew some companies that most of their portfolio were brands dealing with big sport teams and then now, and big music event. And now suddenly all those clients had to push that off. So their company basically collapsed. So it really depended on some of these companies, if you had enough clients that were gonna still be in business as well.

Josh Gallegos (00:15:31):

Some of those, like you said, who’s maybe suddenly are on that rise because everything’s online and they had that benefit. And they’re now putting more of their budget there, or they’re a big enough company and now they’re putting their budget there. One of the examples I sent you was Zachary and Sons. One of the things they rely on is the parade of homes. And it’s all about these two weekends where it, they get people who are usually there for the art markets. They put most of their budget into paper and to make sure their open houses are accommodated to handle the influx of thousands per weekend. And now that this foot traffic is no longer a possibility, it doesn’t make sense to put any of their budget in the paper. So now you got a lot of people though. They want, they wanna do business with you, but you still may be dealing with a lot of people who need education, people that maybe they’re still, they need to take.

Josh Gallegos (00:16:30):

They need to take big steps and they’re only ready to take little steps. So with that, all this is where the opportunity is. If, again, if a, a savvy Instagrammer who’s an artist does good online, they don’t need a gallery. These days, they’re in level playing field. If you’re a business who has a small, tiny, uh, shop versus the big shop, if no one’s going to shops, if you look amazing online and you really network, you’re suddenly bigger than it’s, you look as big as anybody who is new to that industry or, or needs that service. We’ll, show just a couple here of some of the different things that we’re looking at. Here’s a quick a picture of my website and Zach sons home. So this is kind of a, their homepage. We’ve put a ton effort, their website and, and we’re constantly adding onto it every month.

Josh Gallegos (00:17:27):

This is kind of the face now, even that has gotten more robust, um, social media, we’ve went again, tenfold on, on the effort and just trying to be a leader there, which currently we are in a lot of respects. We want people’s choice word in the parade of homes this past year, we’re doing things as simple as on social media and on the website and featuring art in the homes within these pictures. So this photo that you see is been put in by a tool called art Placer. The collaboration is just to be able to say, you know, if we do a post, you do a post let’s mention, like, and share each other. We’ve been doing this for years where we cross collaborate. How can we do this effort? In other ways, if the parade of homes may or may not be so robust this year, we like the electronic one. Not that that wasn’t good, but clearly this is a different market now because a lot of the people who may have went to the parade of homes clearly didn’t go to the electronic version of that. However, there are plenty of art lovers who are, and interior designers and people who love looking at interior home photos and DIY stuff that there’s definitely new opportunity online. And in social media, these builders have never captured. So this is a simple a version in which we’re doing it digitally.

Anne Kelly (00:18:52):

Say for example, you were an artist and you wanted your work to be digitally shown in these images. How, how does that work?

Josh Gallegos (00:19:01):

Anyone who’s interested in showing their art can send me a, a link to their work and, and their social media platforms. That’s gonna be at josh@symphonisoulnet. Basically we’re currently, um, looking for artists and galleries who want to collaborate while we have some ideas. We’re also looking for ideas.

Anne Kelly (00:19:19):

I love that. I love all the, the collaborating and openness to new ideas. Know,

Josh Gallegos (00:19:25):

I love always loved collaborating and finding new ways to, to, to do things like this.

Anne Kelly (00:19:32):

Yeah. I mean, just in terms of art and just kind of the way it’s disseminated, there’s stowing work in a gallery is, is the obvious way, but there’s just some other kind of creative ways to do that as the world changes. Um, there’s even more ways. So that’s

Josh Gallegos (00:19:50):

Absolutely, it’s, it’s very encouraging. I think it would be great schools catch up and, and teach more of these, uh, methods. But I definitely think we’re in a new era. There’s gonna be people who just try things and it’s gonna work and it’s gonna be the new big thing.

Anne Kelly (00:20:08):

So 15 years in business, how, how did that start? How, I mean, what was the, the first leap

Josh Gallegos (00:20:14):

First leap? It started kinda one of those things started in my dad’s garage, so to speak because it was about my first client, Zachary and Sons, and doing some art, but what really kind of broke everything open was I had a great mentor and, and business associate and friend Carolyn Wright who owns a photography studio. I, she was someone who was a very Frank person. She seemed to like me, but seemed to kinda, know, uh, what I could be doing better in, but she knew that I was ambitious. And she started taking me along to some of her networking groups, these small business, like BNI networking, these small mixers and things where we could go meet some other business owners, go give a speech and about what we’re doing. And I was the young guy by at least 30 years way overdressed. I mean, I had a tie, you know, a button shirt. I mean, it tucked in and everybody there is just, you know, looking at me like going, what are you dressed up for? <laugh>

Anne Kelly (00:21:24):

And, and plus, we should add this as Santa Fe, so that that’s, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, that’s almost like showing up in a tuxedo and

Josh Gallegos (00:21:33):

Oh yeah. Oh, it was. Yeah. And it was so, and, and it was so tough. I was almost like, it, it, it took me a couple months almost to bring it down and notch. Cause I was like too embarrassed to like what’s in the middle. And, and I didn’t try to think, like I was sharper than I was and they helped me out. You know, they, they, um, there was a lot of people who gave me advice. There was a lot of people who introduced me to other people and, and they just taught me this thing about networking. I mean, I’m, by all means, uh, you know, anxious, introvert, like I’m jumping in all the time off of a diving board, but that was my diving board into networking and realizing how far I got with just a portfolio and a couple people knowing me and actually shaking hands, given a speech and doing it the uncomfortable, effective way.

Josh Gallegos (00:22:27):

That’s inevitably what got me to, I have a full-time job of this, not just, I have this one client I’m selling a little bit of art. Eventually I was selling just enough art with just enough clients that now I’m doing a full-time gig and it was the networking. Again, I wasn’t the best speech guy, but I was pretty good at preparing and I got better. And people, they, they give you a lot of credit for having some guts and humility and going for it. I think people forget that. And I think what also is sometimes people forget is there’s lots of business owners that they, they have a work ethic and they got a craft, but they’re not necessarily the smartest people. And that should be the most inspiring thing ever. cause you meet these people who are doing amazing things and they didn’t have everything and they will never tell you they have everything.

Josh Gallegos (00:23:19):

And it teaches you really quick. You don’t need to have everything to do amazing things. And the power of feeling that combined with enough people, seeing that, Hey, you’re genuine. You’re, you’re putting yourself out there. That’s what really, that’s what really kind of took it to the next extreme. And then from there you kind of meet some of those key people who really make things flourish and then eventually you might go, well, is there enough people like that here that I can connect with? Or should I move somewhere else? And for me a little bit was going to Austin for a few years and now in Denver, but I still have a lot of business in Santa Fe. So that’s never going away

Anne Kelly (00:24:01):

The power of the internet and staying connected.

Josh Gallegos (00:24:06):

Absolutely well.

Anne Kelly (00:24:07):

Can um, do you wanna tell us a little bit about your personal artwork? You wanna pop website or, or Instagram

Josh Gallegos (00:24:18):

I’ve been posting some of my classics and a lot of the new stuff. A lot of these things I did with pastel and charcoal and a lot of things dealing with like kind of the subconscious things that blur in your brain at night. And I really got interested in this technique and I did a lot of pictures like this, where it’s about accentuating the white spaces and in the paper. And the one thing that I I’ll tell you, I mean, I love to paint, but acrylics are just so tough and it seems so hard to get anything finished compared to pastels where I think it’s the using the fingers like sculpting. I think I would almost be a better sculptor if, if that’s what I did because my hands are more ready, trained for that. But pastel’s the happy medium. I’ll tell you. I w I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Spain on Spanish. So I got to go to the motherland a couple years ago. Amazing pastel. I mean, just photorealistic. I just can’t believe it. I am just so humbled to see that

Anne Kelly (00:25:24):

I did have the opportunity to, to go to Spain once amazing experience. Where did you go?

Josh Gallegos (00:25:32):

I went to Madrid. I went to Barcelona and I went to Ronda down south, down in the Southern area. Spain one that looks more like one of those old little cities in Italy, just like from an old painting, every where place you turn and look at, you could just take a picture and it just seems like an amazing landscape you couldn’t even imagine. And, uh, I went there for my honeymoon. I was there for a few weeks and everything from the food to the music, to the architecture, I was just so blown away. And it was one of those things where I just begged anybody who’s in New Mexico. I mean, especially a lot of Hispanic community. Um, my big old family, you gotta go to Spain. Uh, you gotta put it on your bucket list. It has this charm everything’s charming. And then half of it, you don’t know why it’s charming and it’s just that part of your heritage. It’s, it’s interesting. But I also say all my friends that are of all ethnicities that I know, they all seem to have thought Spain was pretty cool too. So <laugh> no, it was pretty universal.

Anne Kelly (00:26:40):

So when you were in Spain, was there any art you saw that inspired your own? Maybe you went home and were inspired by it? I, I

Josh Gallegos (00:26:52):

Would say so. I definitely started doing some of these different animals, like Spanish, uh, bull here. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, we actually went to down south, went to the, um, well in Ronda they have the oldest bull fighting ring there. So I got to go around there and just see that. And while I was excited about, there was two things that just blew me away. It got one going to Spain, got me back wanting to do art. So I started doing a lot of these nine by twelve pictures that I was just doing in my spare time. I first had my baby just being a father and all these thoughts of Ronda and that’s where my baby came from. So we had to say she came from Spain from that. One of the latest things had been getting into is, um, and this was kind of my first ever kind of doing Ink jet transfer on canvas.

Josh Gallegos (00:27:46):

And this was me doing this with my, my daughter. She’s a very healthy baby now, but she had a pretty, uh, rough start there documenting that through pictures of her health challenges. Like it was a long time since I actually made something that was not only for me, but also something where I felt I, it needs to be realistic somehow. And this is where I’m kinda exploring the printing. I’m also intertwining things like surreal nature of like what I like in Spain, what I realized, how much they just surrealism seems everywhere in their architecture and their food. Now, now where I always had to have a twist, I now feel almost like it’s like a Spanish twist bending what you’re trying to imagine and feel to what reality actually is throwing those element into the subconscious. So bending reality, the idea is trying, trying new methods painting this one’s for fun, but essentially my daughter was drawn a bunch random circles when she was a kid.

Josh Gallegos (00:28:47):

And I thought, oh, I’m just gonna make a painting all around what her, whatever she drew in red marker and green marker. And essentially you can see all these random highlights in there, but it was like just painting outside the box, getting totally outside the box, let other things navigate the content of what’s in there, or even the form of what’s in there and, and work around that. And lately, as far as some of my nerd art themes in my other life, in the engineering side, how, how do I express that on canvas, without being literal about it? I’m starting to do things where I’m using characters code and, and numbers and symbols and different things to make, not only animations, but prints that I’ll put on canvas and make abstract pieces around that this blue one doesn’t have any print, but this is essentially me putting in different emotions of what it’s like to just be overly geeked out too, in the zone.

Josh Gallegos (00:29:51):

It’s too dark, everything’s just looping around. And it almost seems like whether it be the voices in your head or the people up the dinner table, just trying to pull you away. And I’m thinking, well, maybe making smart, that brings in some of those experience of the engineer and the passion of the engineer, my wife works for a hospital and does a lot of testing, bio testing, and a lot of the bio engineering and, and things. There are all hugely relevant, right now. It’s like, you got time, you got engineering, you got creativity. How do we find the solution pressure what’s happening? So that’s kind of some of my latest themes that I’m jumping into. So hope to have my next wave of art will pretty much be focused around a lot of these engineering type, uh, themes.

Anne Kelly (00:30:39):

Well, I found the strongest art. You usually relates directly to something that’s in your life. This actually makes a lot of sense to me. And I had this kind of half formulated question for you that I didn’t even quite understand. Just maybe some sort of connection between coding and paint. I feel like maybe it relates. Yeah.

Josh Gallegos (00:31:04):

I always seem to reevaluate how simple I can make or describe how coding is similar to art. And initially what I realized when I was young was it’s very hard to paint if I’ve already coded, why is that? What juice am I expelling by

Anne Kelly (00:31:23):

Coding? Like if you coded earlier in the day, then painting was a challenge.

Josh Gallegos (00:31:28):

Painting was a cha, Meaning I could paint something, but come on this story and content in it. Wasn’t that great. Mm-hmm <affirmative> it wasn’t my best, you know? Yeah. It was, there was, uh, something that was some kind of art fuel that was being used by the coding. Mm. Interesting. And to me, it was like, well, what if I could describe that? Well, that will help me. What I found similar was it’s the creativity that I think it’s part of the same muscle by coding, if you imagine the only rigid part of it, maybe if you don’t know what it is, it’s the initial thing. Just like learning to paint. You’re gonna, you’re gonna learn, okay, these are the colors. You gotta hold it like this. Here’s a technique. There’s rigid parts to learning that. But once you know it, then it’s just, it’s just creating.

Josh Gallegos (00:32:20):

What story do you want to tell? What do you feel? What you, you, you just start going and when it comes to code, like in coding, it’s almost as if, if new types of paints, new brushes, totally new mediums, maybe mm-hmm <affirmative> you might go if you’re an accomplished artist, oh, I don’t know what I’m gonna create with this, but it’s gonna be new. Some of it may not be any good, but if I make something good with this, no one’s created it yet. It’s brand new. So I think what happens in coding, because it’s on the cutting edge like that, to where new code, new tech comes out, suddenly you got this new palette to then inspire people, to create something new. You get this same feeling of creating a new window into a new reality. And I think that’s what art can be. You’re creating a window into a totally different reality.

Josh Gallegos (00:33:14):

And some people get inspired by that. They may see a solution with that thing, but in engineering, believe it or not, there’s a lot of people who, same thing, they, they get technology because it just seems cool or it solves a problem, or it inspires them. Or it could be their way to offer something unique that people want to buy. But at the end of it, the art is in creating something new and having that magic to inspire, not just one person, but a whole crowd of people. I mean, coding can do that, but so can art, you know, so can a musician, you know, I’ve seen in Austin, some guy walks in, he looks like a nobody. Then he straps the guitar and hits play, and he just owns the whole restaurant. You didn’t see that. I mean, nobody seems like a loaner from no nowhere. Mm-hmm <affirmative> least attractive guy. And now everyone is just staring and, you know, believe it or not in the business world, there’s a couple industries that can get people to just drop their jaw. But when you can do some cool stuff in coding or some of these cutting edge technologies, you can get certain people to, to drop their job.

Anne Kelly (00:34:26):

I love that. And it, and it’s just, and that actually makes a lot of sense to me, but it’s just not every day that the, the coder is also the guy that goes home and paints or, or maybe it is usually there’s like that assumption that there’s that division that you’re this guy or you’re that guy. And I don’t know, maybe there’s more people that, that do both. You just don’t hear about

Josh Gallegos (00:34:51):

It. It’s so funny because we all know historically how many times these people who both were in the science and a good artist, or how much you had to learn, how to draw, to be able to show your illustrations with science or else you were, have the scientist. Right. And now it, it is just kind of a recent thing in our evolution where, you know, people kinda separated them, but for me, yeah. I don’t see a lot of fine artists. I see some crafty people. I see a lot of art appreciators, but I think, you know, honestly, I think there’s still a little, it was that stigma of, if I think I’m a no talented guy that can never draw. And I thought that since I was six or 10, I just never got into it. Or, you know, some people just had that attitude when it came to, I think those arts, where they had to draw or do something like that, my wife, who, who kind of thinks like that, but she’s an amazing, uh, uh, she does amazing makeup and she used to be a pitcher has amazing hands.

Josh Gallegos (00:35:47):

And I told her, I bet you a million dollars to gimme one painting lesson. You’re gonna, you’ll be shocked. And you’re gonna shock me how good you are, because look at how good your line is. Look at how good you fade, look at how good you, and she doesn’t understand. She does this all the time. She’s like, no, I can’t be good at any art. And I’m like, what are you talking about? You already do it. You have the sensitivity. She just doesn’t know. And we tried it and it was amazing. Now, again, even she looked at some of what she did. She’s like, I don’t really get it. And I’m going, you don’t understand how good this is for your first lesson. You may not know, but I’m pretty sure I could show a bunch of artists and say, yeah, this is my wife lesson one, tell her she doesn’t have talent.

Josh Gallegos (00:36:31):

And it’s just people. I think if no one told them they were talented artists when they were young, they just think they’ll never have it. And they, I think they just hope. I just wish more people saw artists who were great now, who didn’t used to be that great, how good they were at the beginning. Everyone has to start somewhere. And it’s, it’s amazing how good people can, can get at some of this stuff. I definitely think there are some engineers who do art, a lot more appreciated, but I hope with now the internet, there’s just way too many lessons to where people can learn a lot of different arts by themselves and take the first steps because, uh, I would’ve loved for that to have been around when I was younger.

Anne Kelly (00:37:16):

Oh, for sure. And then I guess there’s also the, the making art, which also is making music and, you know, do, do you put it out there? Do you share it with other people or are you just playing music in the basement or drawing when you get home and hiding it under the bed? So there’s also that putting yourself out there aspect to that, maybe coding’s a little more disguised, you know, you’re not coding the, the, the Josh masterpiece or maybe you are, but it’s not framed as that.

Josh Gallegos (00:37:52):

Right. That’s a, you know, it’s an in, it’s an interesting thing. It’s, um, it’s, it’s really tricky, you know, because it’s one of those things where just like an art, where if someone’s hiring you to do an art piece, it could be, I want you to paint my family while we sit outside on this table over here, or it could be, I just want you to paint what you like to paint. And I, or it could be, let me pick one of your paintings. You already done, you’ve already done, or here’s the inspiration. How would you paint it and gimme a couple samples and I’ll pick one that that’s all a different levels of flexibility. Someone gives you creatively and different pressure and different probably amounts of fun. You get out of it. Coding can be a lot the same where you, you may be working with other people.

Josh Gallegos (00:38:43):

You may be doing it on spec. So it’s, it seems like it should be a creation and people think it is your creation, but really they don’t know because it’s disguise. I think the only issue is don’t know how to give the credit not, and, and that’s not, and I’m not saying that in a, in, in a way, um, for people to flatter me, this is more about, um, it really is broad range of who collaborates with, uh, a tech or coding project and you just get bearing results. And, you know, it’s almost like a movie if they paid enough, it it’s produced by whoever’s name at the end. So, um, it’s kind of interesting. There’s been things I’ve done gotten no credit only been paid for things I’ve done where people thought it was me and the quality was bad. And it was really one fraction of me and I was just following orders. So it’s kind of a, it’s kind of a strange scenario. It’s kind of a gun for hire kind of craft, but I’m always doing enough of my time where I’m creating my own things. Um, and I’m always doing these entrepreneurial projects where I’m doing ’em for the art or education or, uh, things like that. Um, where it is all me and it’s, that’s when it’s mostly art, cuz it’s just anything I can create and no control and let’s get creative.

Anne Kelly (00:40:04):

It’s all connected. Mm-hmm <affirmative> well, I think it’s great that you, you do both and, but, but you put it out there, you put all of it out there.

Josh Gallegos (00:40:15):

Yes. It’s, it’s painful it’s like, uh, getting all that hard criticism stuff itself, perpetuates itself. If you can just get it started. And I think we all kind of have things in our life where we know that effect where it wasn’t comfortable at the beginning, but it worked out. And I think also meeting more people who’ve done it before, makes it simpler to, to, to take those first steps and get it out there. Once you get it out there, people can collaborate with you and make you better.

Anne Kelly (00:40:44):

So where, what were some of the challenges that you faced when starting your business, as well as putting your art out there? I’m gonna mix ’em together.

Josh Gallegos (00:40:56):

I would say the biggest was managing the art and the business and not having to choose between one or the other. And of course there was a lot of times where I knew art was the riskier thing and because I needed the money and to support people, I couldn’t choose the art. That was really hard. And it was hard because there’s a lot of people I knew me cared for me, who didn’t really under. They loved my art, but they didn’t understand what that meant to me. It’s hard to empathize with, with that type of sacrifice. The biggest thing is, is that I never stopped drawing and, and keeping those ideas of themes to make pieces. So I always had a tracking that if I do art, I’m gonna be loaded with that honesty of the ideas of what I was feeling and, and what I could grow off of that.

Josh Gallegos (00:41:45):

And just kind of evolve to know that’s the bigger thing. I mean, I could always learn to certain techniques and things, but if I’m meeting people to be able to help sell it down the road and as long as I’m living life and, and, and getting better themes to, to make things the door’s still open, but there was a struggle of not only doing the art, but the business stuff. Again, it’s hard to be an entrepreneur while I told everybody, Hey, it’s my passion. This is what I’m doing. All this stuff. You know, I was going to the art Institute. And while I was on track doing my degree, both in, uh, web development, some of these technologies, along with art, there was this huge bug that happened at the Donna Branch, uh, community college down in Las crus that caused essentially all the financial aide kids to totally, uh, have to go through.

Josh Gallegos (00:42:39):

Weeks’ worth of reprocesing their money to get the books, to keep up with school. And then eventually everyone’s status went into Kahoots. It eventually messed up any opportunity to go to art school. And actually, I, I couldn’t go to college at all when I was on scholarship. And I was eventually at my dad’s house thinking, how do I get out of this garage and through thinking, well, I know I don’t like talking to people, but this lady Carolyn saying, she’ll take me to her networking groups. What choices do I have? And I thought, you know, I still went through enough years of college. I’m a pretty smart guy. I don’t have anything to lose everything to gain. And what excuse am I gonna have if I don’t try. And so much of moments like that, I think happen in business. And if you know how to handle ’em, they’re also the same times to have huge opportunities.

Josh Gallegos (00:43:36):

And I didn’t have a family that could afford to get me back into any college, but as long as it seemed like I was a sharp guy, no one was gonna question that I had a degree and eventually what happened? I helped up enough people. I proved my work. I figured I’d be a good professional. And 15 years later, I’m I’m doing alright, but it wasn’t without putting myself out there going through struggle. And definitely people saw me in some times that made, ’em almost so embarrassed for me. I think if a younger person does it, it seems embarrassing, but older people, sometimes it just seems like business as usual, but sometimes they don’t hear those business owner’s failures or they don’t show ’em when they’re vulnerable. So there were times where maybe I was vulnerable with close friends and it scared ’em a little bit, they were just like, Josh, you gotta get out of this.

Josh Gallegos (00:44:27):

And I’m thinking, well, what choice do I have? Where am I gonna work? There’s been a lot of struggles. I couldn’t talk about, you know, I was a big competitive chess player. The move was not to just tell everybody how bad I was feeling or how hard something was happening, because I knew tomorrow I have another opportunity that could change everything. I gotta get ready for that, but I can blow the roof off of it tomorrow. And I went from this notepad, going to the blue corn, having a drink and writing all my notes. And now I got five whiteboards at any given time with just my day structured things ready, you know, nothing’s perfect. It’s a messy scenario. Most of it’s good. And I get to work with a lot of awesome people. And you know, as business owners, there’s a lot of eccentric folks.

Josh Gallegos (00:45:11):

They’re more like me than not like me. It’s got me the opportunity to meet a lot of artists and, and get involved in arts. When I thought I would never be able to get back into it. I definitely thought that was the last doorway to get into it. But now I’m talking to you and I’m asking artists, you know, who wants to collaborate with the high end? You can think of new opportunities to, to anything now. But like you said, it takes people who are willing to put themselves out there. And failure’s okay. It’s all about doing enough things that if you have two failures, you want to have five winners.

Anne Kelly (00:45:44):

How do you succeed? If you don’t fail a little bit at first or, or at least be willing to let that be a possible, I’ve known you for a minute and it’s, it’s cool to talk to you and see where all of this has gone. I gotta say one of my, one of my passions in life is also just collaborating with other interesting people as well. And no matter the field, I think just being able to do, to do that is really rewarding. And you learn

Josh Gallegos (00:46:15):

A lot. Absolutely. It’s been the greatest education doing the stuff that I’ve been doing. And it’s so much about learning from people who know more than me. I think the more collaborators can get together and explore together. It’s amazing what two people can do.

Anne Kelly (00:46:30):

Is there a, a favorite type of music or a favorite band that you have right

Josh Gallegos (00:46:36):

Now? When I went to Austin, Gary Clark Jr. He was the man when I went down there and now he’s getting more mainstream, but someone who’s contemporary, who, who just is putting his new spin on a lot of this kind of rock, soulful blues type, uh, stuff. But what you can, how that makes you feel alive or makes me feel alive is, is, is something, I mean now I like, uh, a lot of, um, uh, classical music. Uh, I see classical music live that puts me in his own. For sure. I think there’s something about the people watching and reaction though. Like when you’re in Austin or a place when, when, when some awesome rock or blues kind of band who really knows how to entertain, there’s something about how excited the people are to hear that as well. There’s something also where I like to see people’s mood change from just, okay, I’m looking, why am I here? I got my drink. I’m kind of uncomfortable leaning to suddenly they’re locked in. And it’s like, they’re seeing a piece of heaven. I mean, it’s, it’s something where, I mean, I like art shows, but as far as the ultimate art show that I’m a fan of, I would say I’d probably pick the amazing life music instead of, uh, the random art gallery I might pop into.

Anne Kelly (00:48:00):

So when you were living in Austin, was there a, a favorite venue you might wanna go see music in?

Josh Gallegos (00:48:06):

There was a couple, first of all, what I personally like were a lot of the bars, I mean, like you could go to like, um, some of the bigger venues, but the problem was, all those things were pretty expensive. You could go down a street and go to five bars, paying no cover. And you hear people that you swear are more talented. Most of the people you hear on radio, my thing was about walking down, whether I’m going down on south Congress, south Congress has a lot of these classic spots and it’s awesome, cause it’s like, they didn’t even change this stuff from the 1960s or 70’s. There’s a couple new places, but I mean, where Stevie rayon used to play, you, you just see also these people who are like in their fifties rocking out and you’re just thinking, man, you must have, you’ve been part of some of that culture.

Josh Gallegos (00:48:59):

You’re, you’re just searching for that. And then you got stuff in the downtown area where, you know, you got more of the younger kids in a lot of the barbecue spots where they’re just, um, going bananas. And again, there’s a lot of people they’re just talking to people. It’s like, they don’t even see them. And then there’s a small amount of people just right near the music going, what are you people doing this? Guy’s amazing. Mostly that’s what I like doing. I like hop into three to five spots and seeing the people, seeing the different people and just getting lost in it.

Anne Kelly (00:49:31):

I’ve been to new Orleans and I did love the experience of just kind of wandering around and you’d hear music coming from one place and you would just kind of follow it. Definitely, definitely dig that. Say tomorrow you could fly or, or go anywhere you wanted. Do you know where that would

Josh Gallegos (00:49:47):

Be? Uh, well I definitely go to Spain and Austin, again, not to be redundant, but that’s only because, uh, that was actually a planned thing before this happened. Um, and now that it’s been this long, it’s like, all right, let’s pick the top two and just go right there. I think, uh, Austin would be the scenario where I could shake off the last two years just with the music walking around and, and that sort of thing. And uh, I think going back to Santa Fe will kinda help reconnect and see where that might lead me. See how Santa Fe has changed over the last two years?

Anne Kelly (00:50:22):

Yeah. Like I said, it’s, it’s definitely changed, but because I’ve been here consistently for over 20 years, I think I don’t see it as much as I see how much Denver has changed having not been in Denver. And when I do go there, it’s, it’s, it’s shocking. So I dunno if Santa Fe is quite shocking, but I mean, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s changed.

Josh Gallegos (00:50:43):

Yeah. Yeah.

Anne Kelly (00:50:45):

So if, if for dinner tomorrow night, you could get anything you wanted sent from Spain or Santa Fe. It’s a hard

Josh Gallegos (00:50:55):

Decision. Wow. I was gonna say Spain, but I just cooked, um, some awesome croquettes and uh, Spanish food. So I think I would have to go with, Santa Fe and it would be the shed I actually would. And I don’t mean to discriminate and say, dad, I don’t want your cooking cause that’s amazing too. It’s just that, uh, once I go down there and I’ll go to the shed, they got an awesome combination platter, you got your enchiladas, you got your beans, but then they also have a scenario where you can get some, um, uh, green chili pork stew. And if you’re a little, if you like to play a risky, you can get that mixed with a cream mushroom soup and that’s a half and half and it seems funky, but have a taste. It’s amazing. So that’s what I’m going with.

Anne Kelly (00:51:44):

I, I have never, I’ve seen that on the menu, the, the mushroom soup, but I didn’t know people mixed

Josh Gallegos (00:51:50):

It me neither. And

Anne Kelly (00:51:52):

Or did you just

Josh Gallegos (00:51:53):

Do that? <laugh> yeah, it was recommendation from a friend. They said it would change your life. And I said, very funny, let me taste it. And my life’s never been the same sense.

Anne Kelly (00:52:02):

So you, you know what you’re having when you, when you come back

Josh Gallegos (00:52:05):

A margarita pairs perfectly with it.

Anne Kelly (00:52:08):

And so movies I’ve, I’ve been asking people about movies recently, a lot of people have been revisiting movies. There’s also a lot of really cool series on, on Netflix anymore. Mm-hmm <affirmative> like all of that’s become a bigger part of everybody’s lives as we’ve been home a little more. Is there a particular series that had your attention recently?

Josh Gallegos (00:52:37):

Yeah. You know, there’s a couple, I will say one that jumps out of the room for me is a Queens Gambit mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, one, because I was, uh, pretty, uh, competitive a chess player when I was younger, but we weren’t like all the other chess kids. Like we were, we were a little rougher and we were smart, but we were a little athletic. We weren’t dressing the attire all the time. And we started the Santa Fe had chess team with, with two of the guys, a friend, Luke Calhoun. And um, we, two years we, we got to the state tournament and got second place. They basically didn’t want to support even us going in there. So, you know, those big state trophies, everyone gets in high school. Well, that’s in my garage <laugh> and the thing was, is watching the Queens gambit one. That’s the name of an opening in chess that I play every day.

Josh Gallegos (00:53:35):

I mean, I play at least 20 games a day, um, kind of helps with keep that muscle to, to think ahead, think in variation, be considerate, think deeper, quicker helps in business and thinking creatively on the spot, you know, speed chess is good for that. Her struggle with so much in terms of, okay, look at this crazy life she has. And then she has this substance abuse thing and all that. And that really has happened with a lot of crazy chess players over time and much less any other, uh, you know, the mad genius, right. That they depicted it. They made it entertaining that they didn’t have these details that I was gonna go, oh, that would never happen. There was probably like one or two things, but it was mostly pretty accurate entertaining and, uh, exciting. And I, I definitely remember there was times me being in a high school athlete.

Josh Gallegos (00:54:26):

It’s like maybe I wasn’t always the most sober to show up to do the chess tournament, but we got it done. Oh yeah, it’s a high school thing, but it was great. It was such an interesting community. You would not even imagine these types of people. I mean, you wanna know where the, uh, the rocket scientists go to socialize it’s at, it was at the chess club at borders books every Monday. If you wanted to know where these super brilliant people at the labs were hanging out and you could see ’em in all their funky shirt glory, it was around things like the chess table. And when you wanted to see two twiggy nerds, get in a fight and punch each other. I mean, it was going down in empty gyms of the chess tournaments that were, uh, in this hidden network of people, uh, throughout the state. So very cool to see someone make a real good movie that was not rated G that had some good intelligence in not only playing the game, but it was about the characters, the, these such wild, intricate stories. And, and that any, I think chess player could say, oh, I know a guy like him, or I know a girl like her,

Anne Kelly (00:55:36):

So like relatable?

Josh Gallegos (00:55:38):

Yeah. Yeah. And of course other series when we’re talking things like eyes and crimes and, oh man, I, I, I, I gotta always watch some of those things too, but, um, a few classics here, there, but I would’ve to say Queens Gambit got me. That

Anne Kelly (00:55:53):

Show has actually probably been mentioned as a favorite on more of these shows than not.

Josh Gallegos (00:55:59):

Yeah. That’s a good one.

Anne Kelly (00:56:01):

Any, any old school movies that, that just stick

Josh Gallegos (00:56:04):

With you? Well, I’ll tell you, um, I’m working my way down. So first I think we got into the years of getting out some of, whether it be classic kid movies, like nightmare before Christmas and Shrek and things like that for the daughter, we, we got through the Austin Powers. Now we’re going back to Ghostbusters and, uh, Goonies and nice. Um, we’re trying to think of what would be the best fantasy movie. Like we’re talking labyrinth type scenario that maybe my three year old would get. Cause some of those amazing puppets and action, I think some of ’em might stand the test of time. So we’re gonna have to roll the dice. We don’t know if it’s gonna be dark crystal Labrinth or, or Stardust what, what we’re gonna do, but we’re gonna throw one of those in the mix pretty soon.

Anne Kelly (00:56:55):

Oh yeah. She’s gotta see those the labyrinth definitely favorite. So I recommend that.

Josh Gallegos (00:56:59):

Absolutely. I mean, again, how questionable the clothing of David Bowie, but Hey, he’s David Bowie. He could do whatever he wants.

Anne Kelly (00:57:07):

Exactly. He’s David Bowie. <laugh> so another favorite question I have is I’ve found that a lot of creative people have interesting collections of things. Sometimes it’s art. Sometimes it’s something a little quirkier. Sometimes people don’t think of them as things that they necessarily collect and less asked.

Josh Gallegos (00:57:34):

That’s a good question. You know, I was, I was always a guy who, I wouldn’t say maybe I did collect things. You know, I was one of these guys that I, someone could easily tell me that I used to collect, um, you know, a bunch of random old school toys, but really what I was doing was getting into the electronic parts. So I could recombine them for a later date. <laugh> I think I kind of do that when I pick pieces of images that I’m gonna start using for printing, or I get things of code where I may want to build something one day. I don’t know that I have anything physical that I collect these days. I think these days, I think a lot of the stuff I collect, it’s almost like mostly not physical. I think there’s a scenario in which I like to almost collect little experiences to, to use for ideas or art life. And my daughter loved rocks. And I actually, I used to love rocks too, in terms of collecting these things everywhere. I went in an adventure. So these days we do a lot of things like that. I don’t know. Maybe we’ll turn ’em into chess pieces one day or something.

Anne Kelly (00:58:47):

Perfect. Well, you know, Georgia O’Keeffe had, well, Georgia O’Keeffe still has an extensive collection of rocks. She she’s no longer around, but the O’Keeffe museum actually houses them somewhere. So yeah, I, I felt like a crazy per person collecting rocks. And then, and then you find out, you know, all Georgia’s are archived somewhere. So may, maybe not so crazy. <laugh>

Josh Gallegos (00:59:16):

No, not, not at all. I mean, I’ve worked, done some work with some different jewelers and they gave me a whole new spin on rocks. I mean, they made it seem as if for some of them half their life was making the art. Yeah. But the other half was finding amazing rocks at amazing markets all around the world. And it was this amazing treasure hunts. And you get, you find it at a good price at this crazy adventure of getting it. And, and then you just make this art out of it. And it just has this incredible story, incredible look. And it just makes me go like, oh man, now that is rock collecting. Right.

Anne Kelly (00:59:57):

And it’s finest mm-hmm <affirmative>. So if somebody want, so you sell original paintings as well as prints. If someone was interested in collecting any of your artwork, purchasing any pieces, how would they go about that?

Josh Gallegos (01:00:16):

Yeah, they can go to shop.symohonicsoul.net. That link is also linked on, on my Instagram or Facebook. I think Facebook, I have a shop there that connects to my Shopify site. That’s through my website and I’m gonna be adding updates regularly. Now, now that kind of back in the mix, working with artists, I definitely motivates me to get more stuff up, but get things kind of spruce up and selling more and I’m gonna be promoting more on my social media areas kinda at the same time. So yeah, people can go to my website to preview as well as my social media channels.

Anne Kelly (01:00:52):

And if somebody wants to collaborate with you on, on one of your projects or, or hire you to help, um, engage in different emerging technologies and ways they might promote themselves, would they contact you the same way? Yeah.

Josh Gallegos (01:01:12):

My information should be there. You can email me at Josh@symphonicsoulnet. If you go to symphonicsoul.net there’s contact form, you see my info, you can email me there. And yeah, I’m in both any of the, uh, art related things. We’re doing Zachary and Sons, people who are interested in doing a collaborative project online or interactive project of all kinds. I’m always interested in talking ideas, but definitely in terms of any ideas where we can do some collaborations with any business I’m connected to, um, or, or they’re connected to, I’m always open. This is what I

Anne Kelly (01:01:47):

Do. Check out the description of the video below. We’ll have all of Josh’s information down there, there anything else you wanna plug? Any, any shoutouts, anything we didn’t get to that you wanna mention? Yeah,

Josh Gallegos (01:02:05):

I think one thing that’ll be kind of interesting besides stuff we’re doing with Zachary and Sons is, um, like I mentioned, I’m really interested in this year about building more on some of these interactive environments and finding people who are interested in that and, and expanding that kind of industry and what that could be. And, and also some of what we’re working on here, where we’re doing stuff that can easily be inserted in any gallery and different displays like that. Definitely. There’s gonna be some technologies that we’re already working with, where it’s easy for people to upload their art and, and display it on walls. Whether it be with augmented reality or photos of their own artwork, we’re kind of doing it in a manual sense here now, but we’ll actually have platforms that we have technology that does this stuff. Now the key is with any web project, just cause you have the technology doesn’t mean that’s enough.

Josh Gallegos (01:02:56):

You need a community, you know, you need influence, you need people, the right mix of people to, to, to back it. And the more you have that collaboration, the less money and time you need to get it going. So while I have a good range of, of some of these technologies to meet more motivated, people who are artists who are connected to some people who can grow some of these things, um, that’s always welcome because, uh, you know, it all starts with, with finding people who are ready to put their foot out there and, and, and get

Anne Kelly (01:03:29):

It going well. I love that let’s, let’s build some community

Josh Gallegos (01:03:34):

And definitely, definitely we’re all stuck at home. Why not

Anne Kelly (01:03:38):

Exactly keep the inspiration going, stay connected part of my mission as well. Well, thank you so much, Josh. It was good to catch up with you and find out what you’ve been up to recently. And uh, let’s talk

Josh Gallegos (01:03:53):

Soon. Thank you, Anne. Definitely good luck with everything that you’re doing. I love it. And I just hope, um, more people can connect and, and, and push and grow this thing and anything I can do to help. So let’s keep in touch

Anne Kelly (01:04:05):

For sure. Well, appreciate it. And um, have a good night.

Josh Gallegos (01:04:10):

Yeah, you too.

Anne Kelly (01:04:11):

I hope you enjoyed the conversation. If so, do me a solid please like comment, subscribe, tell your friends, keep the inspiration going.

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